Now before anyone gets excited about ICM holding a signed contract, and that having something to do with the Markman hearing (too late); lets go back to July 2011 and the FEW conference. ICM announced that they had 4 signed contracts to use their AOS. SEE HERE Well, now it looks like we found out that the four units are going to Valero.
This is a deal that has been going on for some time and is now being announced by the buyer. In my opinion it has nothing to do with the Markman Hearing since it was signed back in July. The Markman took place in August. Something that took place in August cannot have caused something that took place in July. Now that the buyer announced and has given tacit permission to disclose, expect ICM to put out a third PR on this single event next week.
If you read the information on the AOS it is not a base extraction system in the normal sense. It is a system that appears to use a chemical additive to break down the emulsion and get a higher yield on the fringe. This is normally after a base extraction system has already had a shot at it. SEE HERE This appears an attempt to not compete directly with the GreenShift COES, and is certainly an attempt to NOT infringe the GreenShift patents. This is obvious in the ICM PRs where they state:
"Further, ICM continues to believe that under a proper interpretation of the patents' claims, the Tricanter® Oil Separation System does not infringe GreenShift's patents." Burris also reiterated that "ICM's new Advanced Oil System™ design and method clearly fall outside all patent claims of GreenShift Corporation's patents under any construction."
So it seems to the SkunK that this AOS system is an obvious attempt to skittle around the pioneering GreenShift patents. No, I do not share ICM's opinion. Yes, I do want to understand their position so that I can anticipate their future strategy.
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- 17 Aug 2004 Clean Tech filed first COES Provisional Patent Application “050”
- 2004 Inventors Disclosed Technology to ICM. ICM executed Confidentiality Agreement. ICM purchases two authorized COES.p3
- June 2005: Westfalia is still "developing" COES technology while ICM is finally installing the two COES bought from the Inventors the year before
- 2005 The Inventors invited Ethanol manufacturers to symposium to hear about COES – 30% attended.(SkunK's idea on which one)
- 5 May 2005 Clean Tech filed first COES Non-Provisional Patent Application “859”
- 23 Feb 2006 '858 patent publication date.
- 23 Feb 2006 '729 publication date
- 6 May 2009 GERS receives Notice of Allowance for first Patents
- U.S. Patent 7,601,858 issued 13 Oct 2009
- U.S. Patent 7,608,729 issued 27 Oct 2009
- 16 Feb 2010 Notice Of Allowance Issued For Third GreenShift Corn Oil Extraction Patent
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Mr Kevin Kreisler maintains his GERS stock through his holding company: Viridis Capital, LLC. Mr. Kreisler is a graduate of Rutgers University College of Engineering (B.S., Civil and Environmental Engineering, 1994), Rutgers University Graduate School of Management (M.B.A., 1995), and Rutgers University School of Law (J.D., 1997). Served as the Company’s vice president from 1998 to 2000, president from 2000 to 2002, chief executive officer from 2002 to 2005 and has served as the Company’s chairman from 2005 to the present. Admitted to practice law in New Jersey and the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey. Kevin Kreisler is the sole owner of Viridis Capital LLC; GreenSpace Capital, LLC; Incandent Capital, L.L.C. Mr. Kevin Kreisler is about 37 years old.
"Roots" of Greenshift
- Greenshift Corp - until present
- GS Clean Tech Corp - until 2-2008 - 1-50 Reverse Split 12Dec2007
- VERIDIUM CORP until 7-2006
- KBF Pollution Management Inc from 3-1996 until 10-2003 - 1-20 Reverse Split 21Oct03
- KBF Pollution Control Inc 1984-1996
- Kreisler Bags - then - Kreisler Bags and Filtration 1979-1984 (hence "KBF" above)
Technicians and Magicians Behind the Curtain
David Fred Cantrell - Graduate of the University of Georgia where he received a Masters Degree in Poultry Science and Statistics. Co-inventor of COE technology with Dave Winsness. Started: Cantrell Winsness Technologies LLC. Next: CEO of Mean Green Biodiesel. Works out of One Penn Plaza, NY?
Dan Lester - Project Manager, GS CleanTech. Past: Warnecke Design Engineer 2004-2007; Imagetech Inc. Engineer 2001-2004. Education: Devry University EET, Electronics Engineering, 1998 — 2001
Patrick Bush - GreenShift’s Vice President of Biodiesel Technology
Dan Page - Attended 2008 Ethanol Conference for Greenshift Corp from Alpharetta, GA.
Dan Saltzman - Controller Greenshift Corporation
Past: 2001 — 2004 Assistant Controller, New York Mortgage;
1989 — 2000 Assistant Vice President Financial Reporting, Scudder; 1984 — 1997 Bucknell University
Jacqueline Flynn - Controller of GreenShift Corporation since 2006. She is the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) and Chief Accounting Officer for ESYM/ADRN. She is also the CFO for CICS. She has twenty years experience in financial accounting for both public and private companies.
Mary J. Carroll - Worked in GreenShift Administration since at least December of 2003. Presently GreenShift Vice President of Administration.
John W. Davis - John "Whit" Davis, has a B.S. in Civil Engineering from the U.S. Coast Guard Academy and an M.B.A from Boston University. GS CleanTech's new Vice President of Operations (as of PR 22 Jan '07), has a broad base of diversified management, engineering, operational and business development experience. Mr. Davis led the deployment of GS CleanTech's existing Corn Oil Extraction System installations at Little Sioux Corn Processors and Glacial Lakes Energy. Most recently in his career, Mr. Davis was the technical director for special projects at Vortex Dehydration Technology, where he led product design, development and implementation for many applications of the technologies underlying GS CleanTech's Tornado Generator[TM]. Mr. Davis holds the rank of Lt. Commander as a reservist with the U.S. Coast Guard. (One of four original COES Inventors.)
Dan Lester - Project Manager, GS CleanTech. Past: Warnecke Design Engineer 2004-2007; Imagetech Inc. Engineer 2001-2004. Education: Devry University EET, Electronics Engineering, 1998 — 2001
Patrick Bush - GreenShift’s Vice President of Biodiesel Technology
Dan Page - Attended 2008 Ethanol Conference for Greenshift Corp from Alpharetta, GA.
Dan Saltzman - Controller Greenshift Corporation
Past: 2001 — 2004 Assistant Controller, New York Mortgage;
1989 — 2000 Assistant Vice President Financial Reporting, Scudder; 1984 — 1997 Bucknell University
Jacqueline Flynn - Controller of GreenShift Corporation since 2006. She is the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) and Chief Accounting Officer for ESYM/ADRN. She is also the CFO for CICS. She has twenty years experience in financial accounting for both public and private companies.
Mary J. Carroll - Worked in GreenShift Administration since at least December of 2003. Presently GreenShift Vice President of Administration.
John W. Davis - John "Whit" Davis, has a B.S. in Civil Engineering from the U.S. Coast Guard Academy and an M.B.A from Boston University. GS CleanTech's new Vice President of Operations (as of PR 22 Jan '07), has a broad base of diversified management, engineering, operational and business development experience. Mr. Davis led the deployment of GS CleanTech's existing Corn Oil Extraction System installations at Little Sioux Corn Processors and Glacial Lakes Energy. Most recently in his career, Mr. Davis was the technical director for special projects at Vortex Dehydration Technology, where he led product design, development and implementation for many applications of the technologies underlying GS CleanTech's Tornado Generator[TM]. Mr. Davis holds the rank of Lt. Commander as a reservist with the U.S. Coast Guard. (One of four original COES Inventors.)
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The lovely Mrs. Rachael Kreisler
Rachael is a 1994 Graduate of Lakeside, a private Prep school in Seattle, WA. Rachael is a graduate of The University of the South, with a cum laude bachelor's degree in biological psychology and minors in fine arts and philosophy. One time IBM site designer, worked on Macy's e-commerce site and the redesign of the NYSE site. Founder of Kissykat and Candent Corp. As of March 31, 2008, the Company (GERS) owed Candent Corporation $757,853 (the "Candent Note"). The former president of Candent is the wife of the Company's chairman. All of the issued and outstanding capital stock held by Candent is in trust for the benefit of its former president. The note payable to Candent shall bear interest at a rate of 10% per year and matures November 8, 2010. (P. 21 1st Quarter)
Kreisler Family Involved in GERS
Lawrence M. Kreisler - Lawrence is the sole owner of Serenity Capital, LLC. Built Kreisler Bags, then Kreisler Bags and Filters, then KBF Pollution Control Inc., then KBF Pollution Management Inc. After 1-20 R/S Sept2003 company was taken over by Veridium Corp in Oct2003, controlled by son Kevin. Resigned, effective December 31, 2003, as an officer and director of Veridium Corporation. Continued to work at Veridium's Paterson, New Jersey based recycling facility, that was designed on recycling technologies he invented. His employment was terminated in July 2004 due to irreconcilable philosophical differences in how to best operate and grow that facility. Bronze Parachute included: 100 percent of his salary of $150,000 through December 31, 2004 and 50 percent of his salary through December 31, 2006. Medical benefits until the age of 65. Lawrence is about 61 years old.
Scott Kreisler - Scott is the sole owner of Cyrus Capital, LLC. Brother of Kevin Kreisler, listed as a Beneficial Owner of Veridium Corporation on 4/2/2002 SEC filings. The 2005 annual report also says: "During 2005, Scott Kreisler, brother of Kevin Kreisler, received salaries of $72,700. Scott Kreisler no longer works for the Company." In February 2006, Cyrus Capital, LLC, purchased from GCS Investments $500,000 in convertible debt issuedby GS Clean Tech. During the period ended March 31, 2006, Cyrus effected conversions totaling $280,000, corresponding to 14,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock. During the second quarter 2006 Cyrus effected additional conversions totaling $120,000 into a total of 6,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock.
Kathi A. Kreisler From a 3/30/2001 filing: Kathi Kreisler is a Co-founder of VERIDIUM CORPORATION and served as its President from 1984 through December 1994. She has been a director since March 1984. In January 1995, Ms. Kreisler became vice president, secretary and treasurer of Veridium Corporation. From 1979 to 1984, Ms. Kreisler was a principal in Kreisler Bags and Filtration, Inc., which name was subsequently changed to KBF Pollution Management, Inc. Ms. Kreisler is the wife of Lawrence Kreisler and is the mother of Kevin and Scott Kreisler. During 2005, Kathi Kreisler received salaries of $33,750. During December of 2005, Kathi Kreisler received 3,806,811 shares of the Company's common stock as a settlement of all severance liabilities.
MIF During the first quarter 2008, Minority Interest Fund (II), LLC ("MIF") acquired the Kerns $1,000,000 Debenture. In February 2008, MIF subsequently fully converted this debenture at the rate of $0.16 per share into 6,875,000 shares of Company common stock. The managing member of MIF is a relative of Kevin Kreisler. (p. 23 1st Qtr Rpt)
Scott Kreisler - Scott is the sole owner of Cyrus Capital, LLC. Brother of Kevin Kreisler, listed as a Beneficial Owner of Veridium Corporation on 4/2/2002 SEC filings. The 2005 annual report also says: "During 2005, Scott Kreisler, brother of Kevin Kreisler, received salaries of $72,700. Scott Kreisler no longer works for the Company." In February 2006, Cyrus Capital, LLC, purchased from GCS Investments $500,000 in convertible debt issuedby GS Clean Tech. During the period ended March 31, 2006, Cyrus effected conversions totaling $280,000, corresponding to 14,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock. During the second quarter 2006 Cyrus effected additional conversions totaling $120,000 into a total of 6,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock.
Kathi A. Kreisler From a 3/30/2001 filing: Kathi Kreisler is a Co-founder of VERIDIUM CORPORATION and served as its President from 1984 through December 1994. She has been a director since March 1984. In January 1995, Ms. Kreisler became vice president, secretary and treasurer of Veridium Corporation. From 1979 to 1984, Ms. Kreisler was a principal in Kreisler Bags and Filtration, Inc., which name was subsequently changed to KBF Pollution Management, Inc. Ms. Kreisler is the wife of Lawrence Kreisler and is the mother of Kevin and Scott Kreisler. During 2005, Kathi Kreisler received salaries of $33,750. During December of 2005, Kathi Kreisler received 3,806,811 shares of the Company's common stock as a settlement of all severance liabilities.
MIF During the first quarter 2008, Minority Interest Fund (II), LLC ("MIF") acquired the Kerns $1,000,000 Debenture. In February 2008, MIF subsequently fully converted this debenture at the rate of $0.16 per share into 6,875,000 shares of Company common stock. The managing member of MIF is a relative of Kevin Kreisler. (p. 23 1st Qtr Rpt)
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It appears to me ICM's AOS still violates GERS patents. They applied for a patent on AOS, so we will see if it is granted with GERS patents having priority. Either way, it may be another day in court unless GERS may bring Valero into the existing suit as one of the "30 DOES".
Skunk, I read your position as stating that the ICM AOS system does not conflict with or infringe on GERS patents. Therefore, until we know more it is reasonable to assume at this time that the Valero signing is NOT good for GERS. Anything else, from what we know now appears to be fantasy. Let's stop fantasizing, pontificating and start digging for more facts. I will agree that the timing of the R/S is curious. KK must have known of the ICM (or some other firm) inroads with Valero and the negative perception that it would create. His folks must have been trying to bring Valero into the fold and determined that they had not and that Valero was going another direction. Not only do we have no good news on the horizon of the R/S we apparently have bad news. And now comes the R/S? Come on KK, you need to come up with something to keep the PPS from plummeting post R/S. But how can we pin our hopes on timing so bad that it is of itself non sequitur? Another way of asking this question is how can we have much faith that KK will do something in the interest of the common shareholder when he has failed to do so over the years? I know that none of the newbies want to hear about ancient history as you call it. But soon you newbies will be oldbies and you will be trying to explain why the stockholder equity just never seems to take precedence. And for you folks that are now saber rattling with the chant sue Valero!; on average each intellectual property law suit cost the plaintiff $3 - $5 million dollars up front. Where do you think those dollars are going to come from? One possibility is the gap between the O/S count of 14 million shares and the A/S of 20 billion shares. Bottom line: at this time this is not good for the common shareholders no matter how much rose we put on our glasses.
Remember Microsoft?
Oh My! Is another GERS patent coming?
skunk the way i see it ICM can us Valeros money to pay GERS the money they owe for violating GERS patents. and ICM has not been awarded the AOS patentb yet.
all i care about is price...it will plummet post r/s.....so sad
is the aos machine better result than the method 1 from gers?...is method 2 from gers better than aos...does aos have better methods to be released?
Oh My! Is another GERS patent coming? And what about the method II patent?
slash,
you are an expert and certified oil man...what do you think about the valero/ icm connection?
bottom line , we now know why the price is in the gutter...a technology leap frog has occured to gers by icm
"technology leap frog has occured to gers by icm"
hahahhahaaaa
No,what your post really means is Dave from ICM is now hang'n on the skunk blog. Hi dave. Give investors here some credit for intelligence.
ICM signed 4 plants for a knock off additive extraction unit back in july. Those units are a dime a dozen. patent pending really means no patent yet. I could patent pend a beer bottle opener, does not mean I will get a patent.
Greenshift has the encompasing patent issued. this is an attempt to get some crumbs on the fringe.
ICM PR shows that they are obviously wary of litigation against them. Otherwise, their PR of signing Valero does not need to mention GERS and its patents. I take this as a sign that ICM is not confident in their position in the litigation with GERS. Thanks, Skunk for all your researches.
GO GERS!
Where does it say Valero isn't signing on with Gers?
I think skunk was hinting at that. the icm deal was a fringe add on deal, and they might have already got a deal with gers for the actual coes.
if you look at this aos it is just a skid mounted deal to try and get some oil from the foam.
the question you should ask is why not a tricanter and the aos?? Maybe they already are getting a greenshift coes and throwing a bone to icm in the form of the aos add on.
kk is saving for the r/s?
jmho
Nobody, reread the Valero PR very sloooooowly. Wording is important. While you're at it, reread what Mr. Skunk said, instead of putting words in his mouth and posting false statements on the other website.
Valero and ICM have crossed paths in the past - something with the Verisun bankruptcy. ICM really doesn't think that they are infringing. Now that Valero officially announced their deal with ICM, GERS can now counter with the injunction and most likely the r/s. The injunction is the reason GERS has not used cash to pay debt. IMOO
Our patent pending system does not separate oil directly from the concentrated thin stillage. ICM's system implements special processing to release oil from an emulsion concentrate, which results in a higher recovery of corn oil from the ethanol process."
ICM does not do stillage
So AOS is not a COES, whose COES will they use?
Look at ICM's brochure for the AOS. It starts with the Tri-canter process(their first gen oil recovery)to get the oily emulsion from evaporated thin stillage(syrup) to be further processed by AOS. The AOS may not infringe current patents, but getting the material for it does IMO.
So what do they mean by stand alone solution?
Available as a stand-alone Solution, and also compatible with ICM
Tricanter® Oil Separation System
ICM’s two-skid AOSTM can be sold as a stand-alone unit to plants without oil extraction technology, or we
can integrate our solution with existing ICM oil separation technology, reducing your capital cost for oil
separation.
http://www.icminc.com/pdf/ADVANCED_OIL_SYSTEM_lores.pdf
Is it similar to Ashland?
I'm still a bit confused but hope the best for GERS!
AOS comes after centrifuges.
Ethanol#9,
Looks like you are one of the few people that think the Valero signing is good for GERS. How many rose petals did you need to cover the entire area of your glasses? Please describe how this outcome is better for GERS than Valero signing with GERS? Thank you.
Scribe,
Yes! AOS only has material to process via a centrifuge pre-process in front of it.
ICM is playing semantics with how it is presented to the market.
All COES, including GERS is stand alone from the ethanol process.
Thank's Anonymous.
Dang! thats BS nobody you owe Skunk an appology!
Anony,
Thank you your accolade of b.s. (brave scurrility) it is most appreciated. You are one of the few that recognizes that only a single person, and one alone, stated without qualification that there would be a 1000:1 R/S weeks before it was announced, that the BID would collapse to zero after the R/S and that IF GERS did not sign Valero the market cap of GERS would plummit to less than a half a million dollars post R/S. When the later occurs I am sure that you will be here to identify who that person was -- the brave scurrility one. I look foward to reading your missive at that time.
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