Friday, March 8, 2013

Big River

Big River has a new March Newsletter.  I see no mention of corn oil or their role as defendant in this case.

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SkunK

72 comments:

nobody12378 said...

Maybe they are not concerned.

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Anonymous said...

I thought Yoda was dead.

nobody12378 said...

It is not GRREEEEENNN!!
It is not REEEDDDDDDD!!
It is still what it is.

Anonymous said...

ur rash is not red????????

Anonymous said...

Actually.......It IS Green.

And.....you are still what you are,

ahooooooooooooooole!

Anonymous said...

price cracked again....6 years of pain!...it only goes down!...it never goes up!...it is paper pushing time all the time!

Anonymous said...

Best move UP all week! Boy, the naysayers really come out of the woodwork around here, even when the pps starts to rebound!

nobody12378 said...

Are you serious, it is still 25% below a penny! Petal, was that you painting the close so you would have a nice weekend?

Anonymous said...

No, it wasn't! Was that you selling 250 shares at the close the other day to bring the price down?
You're just disapointed the PPS stopped dropping. In case you didn't notice, the price was climbing the last half hour.

nobody12378 said...

I have never sold a share of GERS.

Anonymous said...

Maybe they think, like most in the industry and outside of the industry, that DW & company show's coming to the end.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and by the way genious, .0079 isn't 25%. The form T doesn't count as the LAST price of the day.

Concerning "I have never sold a share of GERS", don't you have to OWN shares before you can sell some?

nobody12378 said...

Your hysteria is certainly misdirected.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

hahha petal > n0b0dy

Anonymous said...

petal is so much smarter than dec 78 nobody its nto even funny hahahahaahha

Anonymous said...

The SOLUTION to DILUTION is POLLUTION. Why are there one L in solution and dilution and two Ls in pollution?

Anonymous said...

Maybe they're scared to talk about it?

nobody12378 said...

Maybe elephants can fly? Too much mystery here to be stuck on maybes.

Anonymous said...

nobody12378 said...
Maybe they are not concerned.

March 8, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Anonymous said...

sell after all these years, just before the big 10k. wah, wah, wah!
only ~3 weeks to go.

buy-buy.

Anonymous said...

Why would they want to mention this?

All of the following defendants in GreenShift’s current litigation argued that GreenShift’s patents are limited to the recovery of at least 95% of the oil present in the concentrated thin stillage feed stream, and that they are consequently not infringing on GreenShift’s patents because they are recovering less than 95% of the oil present in their concentrated thin stillage feed streams: (1) Ace Ethanol; (2) Al-Corn Clean Fuel; (3) Blue Flint Ethanol; (4) Bushmills Ethanol; (5) Chippewa Valley Ethanol; (6) Heartland Corn Products; (7) Lincolnway Energy; (8) United Wisconsin Grain Producers; (9) Iroquois Bio-Energy Company; (10) Cardinal Ethanol; (11) ICM; (12) Big River Resources West Burlington; (13) Adkins Energy; (14) Big River Resources Galva; (15) Lincolnland Agri-Energy and (16) David Vander Griend.

The Court disagreed with the defendants’ arguments, and issued a Supplemental Claim Construction Order clarifying that the patents do not require recovery of any particular percentage of oil present in the syrup feed stream.

Significantly, the Court ruled that most of GreenShift’s patent claims cover mechanical processing to recover a product that is largely or mostly oil, and that they are not limited by the amount of oil that is not recovered from the concentrated thin stillage stream.

“We are very pleased with the Court’s ruling,” said David Winsness, GreenShift’s Chief Technology Officer and co-inventor of its patented corn oil extraction technologies. “We have looked at the so-called advanced oil, oil plus, COSS and such other attempts to work around our patents. We are highly confident, and even more so with this latest ruling, that all such attempts plainly infringe our patents.”

Winsness continued: “Ethanol managers, board members, owners, lenders and other stakeholders that have adopted ‘wait-and-see’ infringement strategies are encouraged to pay careful attention to these events. Licensed producers receive a significant competitive advantage that we have pledged to vigorously defend. We will continue to do so and now look forward to expanding our efforts in the coming months.”

A copy of the Court’s January 29, 2013 ruling is available online at www.greenshift.com.

GreenS

Anonymous said...

and now look forward to expanding our efforts in the coming months.”

nobody12378 said...

Hopes do spring eternal.

Anonymous said...

No one mentioned reading the Big River Article. Maybe it is because it comes out as a PFD Doc, but sideways? I tried laying down, but kept going to sleep. DHOLE

Anonymous said...

They Redacted the only meaningful statements in the whole Article!! No wonder no comments!! A nothingburger. Could have been written by Nobody about the weather! Meanwhile, Drudge blames the Weather on the Sun Activety!! He'll get flack on that from the Whitehouse! Tax Audit Time!! DHOLE

Anonymous said...

Nobody: I tend to agree with you regarding the long road ahead for this company. But when you say you have never sold a share of GERS I simply cannot believe it. Because based on your own predictions there would be no possible way that this stock doesn't undergo at least 1 more RS. So what gives?

nobody12378 said...

I am a high stakes gambler, I am not interested in $10,000 here or $8,000 there -- no interest at all. The only thing that would truly disappoint me would be a surprise, a lightening strike, if you will, such as a new license with a major actor like Valero, or a real settlement. Each of these would propel the PPS quickly since that revenue/cash would allow pay-off of the debts, thus eliminating the need for dilution. This result would also place a great deal more pressure on the defendants. Is this likely -- NO!! But I would kick myself forever if I ever, I mean ever, had to chase it.

The big pay-off, court adjudicated award and penalties, after all appeals are completed is truly a long way off and not worth discussing.

(I do trade other stocks; and have done OK. I do not post on other stock boards any longer they are too droll, I-Hub and the Skunk blog are a blast for me. My biggest stock poker pot was with GNBT seven years ago -- I knew that the avian flu scare was coming -- no bluffing on that one. These resources have funded this gambit).

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Anonymous said...

Valero is just another alias, like Nobody! CITGO got really unpopular when customers found out it was HUGO CHAVEZ undercover leases. HUGO is dead. Really Dead! I wouldn't be puffing up Valero too much. I think their days are numbered, and few. DHOLE

Anonymous said...

petal > nobody

Anonymous said...

dhole > nobody

Anonymous said...

Is that because Valero's stock price is up 36% this year and GERS is down 60%? I now understand your philosophy on buying stock.

Anonymous said...

DHOLE go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Adrn

Anonymous said...

dhole > n0bodie

nobody12378 said...

New low this week? What could keep this from occurring?

Anonymous said...

The impending pump and dump?

Lightening?

Slashnuts said...

EIA: Simple Ethanol Plants vulnerable

Mon Mar 11, 2013 08:39 AM CDT

STREATOR, Ill. (DTN) -- Beginning last summer, the prices of ethanol and corn reached levels where production costs at relatively simple ethanol plants exceeded revenue, causing ethanol plants to shut down production, according to a report posted Monday, March 11, by the Energy Information Administration.

These simple plants, which are not able to recover corn oil, make up a diminishing portion of the ethanol industry, EIA said. Reacting to the market conditions, by January, the number of idled ethanol plants had grown to at least 20.

Relatively simple ethanol plants produce ethanol and distillers grains or DDGs from corn. More advanced plants are able to recover other products, like extracting corn oil from DDGs. Ethanol plants with corn oil recovery units are able to earn more revenue, so they usually have higher profit margins than plants without corn oil recovery, even if their production costs are slightly higher.

Over the past few years, margins at plants with corn oil recovery have been 15 cents to 20 cents per gallon higher than at plants without it, meaning their margins have remained positive while margins at plants without corn oil recovery were negative. Each time margins at the simple plants turned negative, several of these less sophisticated plants announced shutdowns, including plants in Nebraska, Illinois, and Minnesota.

Profit margins also affect ethanol production, prices, and consumption. Following the first set of plant shutdowns, a rise in margins resulted in more domestic ethanol production, which helped reduce prices and resulted in higher ethanol consumption through July 2012. Then, at the beginning of August, a drop in margins led to lower production, reducing ethanol stocks to their lowest level since December 2011. This pattern illustrates how sudden changes in supply (e.g., shutdowns) can lead to short-term market volatility.

During plant shutdowns some companies have embarked on new capital projects to recover corn oil, while others are performing routine maintenance and looking for opportunities to buy corn economically. Two plants, POET Biorefining in Macon, Mo., and Abengoa in Madison, Ill., may add corn oil recovery units in 2013. Others, such as an ADM facility in Walhala, N.D., could shut down permanently.

Corn oil recovery is one of several strategies that the ethanol industry is developing to improve margins. Others involve switching to processes that are more advantageous under the Renewable Fuel Standard. For instance, Aemetis in Keyes, Calif., is changing its feedstock from corn to sorghum and replacing its natural gas consumption with biomass.

Other companies plan to produce butanol rather than ethanol, or integrate cellulosic feedstock, such as wood waste or corn stover -- meaning leaves, stalks, and leftover cobs after the corn harvest. These approaches allow their products to qualify as advanced biofuels under the RFS, a category that specifically excludes ethanol produced from corn starch, which has been the dominant feedstock for the U.S. ethanol industry.

http://www.dtnprogressivefarmer.com/dtnag/common/link.do?symbolicName=/free/news/template1&product=/ag/news/renewablefuels/news&vendorReference=0702BAC8&paneContentId=35&paneParentId=0

Good Luck To All!$!$!$!$!$

Anonymous said...

PPS rising, smallballs 12378 negative comments intensify. Free falling, "watch out above"!

nobody12378 said...

Petal?

Come out form behind the curtain -- it is unbecoming for an adult.

Anonymous said...

FuzzyBalls comments on Adultry. (As if) DHOLE

Anonymous said...

Smallballs lashing out now. Can't stand to watch the PPS rise!

Anonymous said...

No comment smallballs? Can't stand it when the pps goes up?

nobody12378 said...

One step forward, two steps back. This only has value to breaking any downward trend if it persists for a while. We have seen several hiccups in the past that appear as if a new (non downward trend) had been established only to be disappointed. I am not emotionally invested, forget invested -- conjugally dependent is a better term -- on any direction the PPS moves. Commentary is not the same as the investment most of the small minds, with no apparent life outside of GERS, appear to have.

Anonymous said...

Nice try smallballs! Does ICM still pay you when your bashing doesn't work?

nobody12378 said...

I will be paid handsomely someday -- by Greenshift.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

GO GERS!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

nobody learn how to trade sucker
told u to buy low sell high moron

nobody12378 said...

Looks like you can cash in a few hundred bucks now -- so have your fun.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

lol nobody dec 78 is bid whacking 100 shrares HAHAHHA idiot

Slashnuts said...

Chromatin and Calgren Renewable Fuels Sign Multi-Year Alliance for Locally-Grown Sorghum for Ethanol Production

CHICAGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Chromatin, Inc., a leading provider of innovative crop breeding technology, sorghum seed products and feedstocks, and Calgren Renewable Fuels, a leading ethanol producer located in Pixley, CA, announced today an alliance to develop a local supply chain for sorghum for the production of fuel ethanol and distiller’s grains. The multi-year agreement covers up to 30,000 acres of sorghum grain to be grown and supplied to Calgren, which produces over 55 million gallons of ethanol annually.


“We are delighted to be working with Calgren Renewable Fuels – which has been continuously involved with ethanol production since 2009 – in our commitment to expand the use of locally-grown sorghum crops in California for the production of energy-efficient biofuels”
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“We are delighted to be working with Calgren Renewable Fuels – which has been continuously involved with ethanol production since 2009 – in our commitment to expand the use of locally-grown sorghum crops in California for the production of energy-efficient biofuels,” Chromatin Chief Executive Officer Daphne Preuss said. “Growers located near the Calgren facility recognize the benefits of growing a water-efficient crop like sorghum, and we are pleased that our products provide an affordable alternative to corn that can be used in ethanol production.”

“In areas of the Central Valley with water constraints and higher alkalinity soil sorghum looks like an especially good choice. In addition, preliminary tests suggest the protein level of our distiller’s grains may improve a bit,” said Lyle Schlyer, Calgren’s President. “We like the prospect of giving local farmers and dairies better options.”

Chromatin is working with California growers who are attracted to sorghum’s water efficiency and tolerance to heat, as well as the cost benefits that come from reduced fertilizer use. In addition, the residue left over from the harvest of sorghum grain can be used as high quality animal feed, or as a feedstock for biogas or cellulosic biofuel production.

Ethanol plants in California have been seeking alternative crops to corn to reduce feedstock costs, to improve their carbon footprint and to source feedstock from locally grown energy-efficient crops. The EPA recently identified conditions in which sorghum, as an energy efficient feedstock, can qualify for the financial incentives related to producing Advanced Biofuel.

About Calgren Renewable Fuels

Calgren operates the longest running fuel ethanol plant in California, continuously supplying ethanol, distiller’s grains, and corn oil to areas in and around Bakersfield and Fresno, CA since 2009. With its unique, energy-efficient process, its fuel ethanol has one of the lowest carbon footprints in the country.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20130225005309/en/Chromatin-Calgren-Renewable-Fuels-Sign-Multi-Year-Alliance

Good Luck To All!$!$!$!$!$!$

Slashnuts said...

GERS patents are solid and not limited to corn. Regardless of the type of feedstock, the method remains the same. Mechanical extraction of oil from concentrated stillage. Here's a quote from one of the patents...(last paragraph)

"Moreover, besides corn, the present invention may have utility with any other grain used in a dry milling process for producing ethanol, such as for example, milo."

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=winsness.INNM.&OS=IN/winsness&RS=IN/winsness

Good Luck To All!$!$!$!$!$!$

Anonymous said...

Bunch of smack talking fools, you guys are very entertaining ha ha!I don't know much about the market but I started buying GERS about 2 years ago...I saw it on the OTC board on top of the vol activity chart everyday for a couple of weeks. I figured that had to mean something & research brought me to this page. Thanks for all the valuable info I will continue to hold on to what Ive got & buy when gets down Looooooooo like right now :-) thanks again GOOOO GREEEEEN!

Slashnuts said...

Yes Skunk, it's interesting Big River left out the latest ruling that interpreted the patents in a way proving the unlicensed Tricanter and unlicensed AOS users are infringing. This is material information their investors have a right to know about.

Their argument that the stream needed to be 95% oil free failed and fell flat on it's face. What an embarrassing letter that would've been, had they been upfront with their investors.

But what really can they tell them? We were wrong and owe 10's of millions in damages for back royaltys? A summary judgement and injunction is likely?

Did Big River forget to mention the "lawsuit" ICM filed against GERS was dismissed? They have the right to know this material information. It sounds like corn oil information from here on out will be a sore subject and not so much something they want to brag about anymore.

Good Luck To All!$!$!$!$!$

jjwood said...

Slash - wht is your guess on the timing of any injunctions or or other substative moves by the courts?

I am long and strong now that I have seen the light!!!

Anonymous said...

It's not so easy to see the light when Nobody tries to block the sun with his Big Ass!

Anonymous said...

It's not so easy to see the light when Nobody tries to block the sun with his Big Ass!

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Ha ha......smallballs caught lying again on ihub and tried to totally change the subject like he always does and make the person responding feel like an idiot! No wonder the FBI (Fuzzy Ball Investigators) don't believe him!

Anonymous said...

How did Nobody respond to a recent accusation about working for ICM? In his own words.....

"I will be paid handsomely"

This is the same, out of context, method he uses to twist others words into his own self-serving lies.

nobody12378 said...

The hurt feelings here are busting out all over.

Anonymous said...

Hurt feelings vs keeping someone honest? Hardly. Why don't you prove freedom wrong by jumping into the grinder and see if you produce any oil?

Anonymous said...

hahahaha^

Anonymous said...

Still the sub-penny silence around here. Just the annoying din of nobody and the cretins exchanging sophomoric barbs.

Anonymous said...

Two Rising Biofuels Trends: Corn Oil Biodiesel and Sorghum Ethanol

http://www.bigpictureagriculture.com/2013/03/two-rising-biofuels-trends-corn-oil-biodiesel-and-sorghum-ethanol-337.html

Anonymous said...

i call it: flippin boogers at each other. bwtf

Anonymous said...

Blogger nobody12378 said...

The hurt feelings here are busting out all over.

all over your wife...

 
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