Friday, February 10, 2012

Indemnification

It has been awhile since I talked about this concept.  Allow me to try a mind experiment and SkunK it down a bit. 

Say you ran across a home insurance policy that cost half of what you are paying now.  Sound like a deal?  For round numbers, say the liquid assets of the insurance company were a million dollars.  Your house was insured for 500K.  Still sounds like a deal - right?  What if you had 10 neighbors on the same block who also had their house insured for 500K with the same company?  If one house burns down the company can cover - no problem.  If two houses burn down, the company can still cover.

What I forgot to tell you, the houses are really condominiums and the Insurance company has their $1M office in the center condo.  They all share external walls.   In fact, it is hard to come up with a scenario where only a single condo or two burns.  If one burns they will all burn.  Does that really sound like a "good deal" now? 

If there is no fire - no problem.  However you paid the premiums to protect you from a fire.  You have to ask yourself - if there is a fire - how will the insurance company apply their liquid $1M in claim assets:  
a.  to rebuild their $1M office?
b.  divide it among the 11 claims so each gets less than 100K?
c.  on lawyer fees to delay having to pay out at all?

Notice none of the answers say pay all their claims in a timely matter.  Because this insurance company cannot.  The math does even come close to adding up.
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By the end of last year GreenShift passed into profitability.  They did not have to make a big announcement.  The only ones reading the GreenShift filings closer than GreenShift investors are the defendants in the litigation.  I am sure the defendants would be rather reading ICM's filings but they cannot - since ICM is a private company.  At the last 10KGreenShift had about 14 full time employees.  In hard times it is all about overhead and the lack thereof.  Compare a profitable small company having 14 employees and a leased office in Alpharetta, Geogia to ICM's overhead.  Has anyone built an ethanol plant lately?  If this becomes a war of attrition GreenShift can attrite all day long. 
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Smarter people than me can do the real math but lets just get a feel for it. Cardinal had $2,508,570 in corn oil revenues in the last quarter.   Cardinal announced the price of corn oil recently dropped to 32 cents a pound.  On an annual rate, using a 20% royalty that is just over $2M.  At treble damages that is $6M .  The patent application goes back to 2004, but say the average COE system did not get up and running until February of 2008.  For just 4 years the total is $24M to indemnify one customer.   Without adding in the rest of the customers, personal liabilities, the liabilities of he who indemnifies and all sorts of other costs the loser might have to pay and one can see that the numbers may quickly move into the "Carl Sagan" levels. 

Maybe I am wrong but the cheap condo insurance may not be quite the bargain - if the only time you need it, there is not enough to go around.

SkunK

13 comments:

jimmowrey said...

Ha, and that is a plant struggling with extracting corn oil!


Jim

Anonymous said...

GreenShift is not getting close to 20% royalty on licences. However, they are gaining licenses. Technology is improving and more yields are providing better profits to GreenShift.

The lawsuit continues, but next generation technology is where GreenShift mindset lies. They are now profitable and looking for the next landfall.

Do not invest in the past as that is what it is-the past. Invest on the future if you believe in the management and technical ability to plow the future.

The stock price is where it should be given the up-challenges. The challenge is whether GreenShift may jump the hump and get a new technology moving before this one may die.

Cash is primary and there is not much coming in here saying you are great. YAGI is a boat anchor and saying let us keep this sucking income relationship.

Anonymous said...

Greenshift gets 20% royalty on all corn oil sold from the plants that have implemented their COES, except for the ones they sold to YAGI.

kimbrowntxselect said...

Your article is excellent and auwesome! Wat to go Skunk! All on board with that thinking. GREAT analogy

jimmowrey said...

Annony 4:50 They are getting 20% royalties from YAGI as well.

Jim

Anonymous said...

Who has difinitive information as to what the royalty percentage is? Please provide it.

jimmowrey said...
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Anonymous said...

20% royalty referenced here

http://greenshift.com/news.php?id=253

Under GreenShift’s new licensing option, authorized licensees will be granted the right to directly build, own and operate the equipment they need to use GreenShift’s patented extraction technologies in return for an ongoing royalty payment equal to 20% of the licensee’s corn oil sales. This royalty structure is derived in part from the standard conventions used by thousands of companies in many different industries, including the auto, consumer products, energy, food and manufacturing sectors.

Integration of GreenShift’s patented Method I corn oil extraction technologies into a 100,000,000 gallon per year ethanol production facility will result in the production of between 1,500,000 and 3,000,000 gallons (11,400,000 to 22,800,000 pounds) per year of corn oil, and about $2,300,000 to about $4,500,000 in additional net income to the ethanol producer at the current market price of corn oil (not including the impact of energy savings) – net of GreenShift’s 20% royalty.

At the lower end of this range, an ethanol producer’s investment in an extraction facility can pay for itself within less than about 18 months based on the current market price of corn oil.

jimmowrey said...
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jimmowrey said...

Copied from page 21 of 2009 10K

In late 2009, we started offering ethanol producers the right to directly build, own and operate the equipment they need to use GreenShift’s patented extraction technologies in return for an ongoing royalty payment equal to 20% of the licensee’s corn oil sales. In addition to offering our technologies on the basis of a simple royalty-based licensing model, we will provide also our licensees with value-added engineering and technical support, yield optimization and corn oil marketing services.

Jim

Anonymous said...

how much did they {ICM} blow to try an get this pos [their owner Dave Vander Griend] off the hook not gonna happen

Is this what you mean?

Anonymous said...

ICM = a bunch of pirates that will be sunk by Greenshift's patent armada.

Pay up or walk the plank.

Anonymous said...

Great Video -

http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2012/02/09/n_nascar_silicon_valley.cnnmoney/

 
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