Wednesday, July 27, 2011

Confirmation

The SkunK wrote Mr. Kevin Kreisler and included the letter posted in the comment section this afternoon.  I asked "Can you confirm this is from GreenShift?" His answer: "It was."   Since it is confirmed I have reprinted it below. 

I also asked: 

"Can you add comments on the 1.9 billion gallons per year of licensed ethanol production?  Is it through the acquisitions and expansion of present customers, or is it new customers to be named at a later date?"

Mr. Kreisler's response :

"More than about 1.9 billion gallons per year of licensed ethanol production. None of it by acquisition or expansion with the exception of two smaller plants earlier this year."

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"We appreciate your concerns. I hope the following is helpful:


First, a reverse split is needed to comply with our loan agreements. Avoidable concerns with loan compliance will arise before the end of the year if our lenders require conversions of more than about $200,000 in debt per quarter, which is likely to occur. Action needs to be taken today to ensure that we have sufficient authorized stock to prevent any default events before they occur. Next, we are not allowed by law to issue stock at prices below the par value of our common stock ($0.0001 per share). Since our lenders have the right to demand and receive shares of our common stock at a discount to market prices, we are forced to incur costly penalties as debt is converted into stock. These penalties have the potential to be substantial depending on market conditions, and they will interfere with our ability to meet our stated 2011 goals unless we take action now."

"Significant recent market changes are also relevant. Various third party companies involved with the transfer of our common stock have implemented changes in their policies and procedures that have had a negative impact on all of us. For example, The Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation (“DTC”), a company responsible for all electronic transfers of stock, has ceased to provide transfer services involving many small companies including GreenShift. In another example, TD Ameritrade, Inc., as well as several other retail brokers, have refused to allow several of our shareholders to execute investment decisions involving our stock, citing the substantial cost of completing physical transfers (paper and mail) of our stock due to our ineligibility for DTC’s electronic transfer services. In still another example, in June 2011, Penson Financial Services, Inc., one of the largest of a group of companies that provides essential transactional services for transfers of stock, published a new restriction that it would not accept deposits of equity securities that are priced below $0.10 per share. Penson cited the “substantial additional requirements” it has historically absorbed as well as the increased cost and risk of providing clearing services for companies that do not meet Penson’s new criteria. It is possible, if not probable, that other clearing firms will make similar changes in the near future. These market changes collectively show a clear trend towards reduced market access for small companies with negative implications that we should all consider. A split can help to offset these concerns by reducing transactional costs for these entities while giving our stock the ability to meet third party requirements as they arise."

"Without a split, we collectively face increased risk of debt default, costly penalties for payments priced below par value, increasingly more stringent market restrictions, and reduced access to the equity markets. However, opportunity costs should also be taken into account. A key question here is whether we will be able to meet our goals faster or more cost-effectively with a split. Consider the last 90 days. Our annual report reported satisfaction of all of our goals for 2010, especially including our return to positive cash flow. Our March 31, 2011 quarterly report demonstrated significant additional progress, including another $7 million of debt reduction and our transition to operating income. We have won and announced significant new business, bringing our penetration to more than about 1.9 billion gallons per year of licensed ethanol production. And, yet, the price of our stock today is the same as it was six months ago, resisting appreciation in the face of significant progress and dramatically reduced debt conversions in 2011 as compared to prior years.

Finally, the split is also intended to facilitate additional debt reduction and further improvement of our balance sheet. Additional updates in this regard will be provided in the coming weeks.

Thank you for your continued interest and support.

Regards,
Investor Relations"
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SkunK

30 comments:

manofathousandfaces said...

What happened to the Markman hearing?
If it's cancelled they must have settled.

Anonymous said...

good shareholder letter. I find this part the most interesting:

"Finally, the split is also intended to facilitate additional debt reduction and further improvement of our balance sheet. Additional updates in this regard will be provided in the coming weeks"

News is a comin'!

Go GERS

Anonymous said...

It sounds to me like their reason for the PPS not moving up is because of the trading restrictions that have been placed on the stock. However, these will be lifted after the reverse split. Could we see a huge jump in PPS following the reverse split?

nobody123789 said...

Skunk,

Thank you for the verification. However, my point is still that this important material should have been the basis of a shareholder letter, not included in random emails that perhaps only a few stock holders read. I believe that this action increases the sensitivity of the share holders that they are very low on KK's radar. I know that it does for me.

Anonymous said...

A reverse split is not the end of the world. Surplus cash flows can be used to buyback stock once the debts are paid off. Dilution and reverse splits are not permanent damage. They can be 'reversed' with stock re-purchases.

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Anonymous said...

Even so, buyers are probably waiting for a reverse split. The anticipation of the R/S is causing the buyers to stay on the sidelines.  Management should "JUST DO IT" and get it over with so that the buyers come back to the table and we can look forward to other more positive events.

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Anonymous said...

Such as their recent BANG UP quarter. Major debt reductions, blockbuster performance bonus, new contracts kicking in, unparalleled gross margins! Things are not just getting interesting, this company is entering the parabolic phase of its growth. And, with a capital structure like this, the Common Stock is hyper-leveraged, like the sling on the end of an old fashioned catapult.

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Anonymous said...

The 'hyper leverage' characterization is derived from a kind of 'double leverage' on this stock. It is leveraged over the debt, of course. That is the 'first level' of leverage. The 'second level' of leverage comes from the Preferred. And, it can be accessed through a share buyback. As shares are repurchased, and the number of outstanding shares declines, the number of shares needed to satisfy the conversion rights of the Preferred Stockholders also declines. So, for every common share repurchased, that 'fully diluted' figure actually goes down by approximately 5 shares. That is the 'second level' of leverage. If you can imagine a catapult, like the kind used to throw large boulders at castles in the medieval centuries. The debt is like the fixed, wooden arm of the catapult (the 'first level' of leverage). The Preferred is like the rope at the end of the fixed wooden arm. It swings even faster than the fixed, wooden arm, because it is 'double leveraged'. This is a rare opportunity. KK has set us up with a "double leveraged capital catapult" that can launch our capital into the stratosphere!

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Anonymous said...

Wow, seriously? A trebuchet? That is all sorts of genius. I think I actually understand it.

Think about it. At tz1, the common is worth $1.4 mil. That puts the preferred at $5.6 mil and the market cap at $7 mil. Add YA and other convertible debt of about $30 mil, and you get a total value of $37 mil. So, how many believe that gs is not worth $37 mil today? Show of hands. anyone? anyone? bueller? ... actually, I think I read on one of jlgexs posts that it is a lot more than that. But say its just $37 mil. Enter the catapult thingy. What happens when you take away, say, $10 mil in debt? Wait. I know this one. Don't help me. Hang on ... so, the company doesn't go from $37 mil to $47 mil ... buuuttt ... the debt goes down by $10 mil to $20 mil, meaning the equity ... vwoosh (cool trebuchet sound) ... is now worth $17 mil and the 20% commons go to $4 mil ... $0.00029 ... $0.29 post R/S. Wait. What?

But wait. Theres more. They just took out $7 mil in debt by selling off the old coes. The commons should have doubled but didn't. Back to the abacus. This is where jlgexs trebuchet thing is pure awesomeness. The secret ingredient is ... overhang. Lots and lots of overhang. 2 different kinds. The debt and preferred. They go hand in hand. The preferred (control stake) is the primary collateral for the debt. Reduce the debt, payoff the yagi mortgage, release the lien, get rid of the pref, assume it happens just like they tried to do during ye ole ge deal (skunk has the link). 1, Both kinds of overhang disappear ...  vavavwoosh ("double leveraged capital catapult" sound) ...  2, buyers show up ... 3, gs snaps up to its actual value ... 4, commons and prefs go flying "into the stratosphere" (sorry, I would have included a buyback in the math too but I didn't have cool triple lindy sound effect in my synth).

Anonymous said...

OK, so, let me get this straight ... jlgex, is this where we are today?
1, buyers are waiting on sidelines for a R/S
2, double lindy overhang keeps us boxed at tz1
3, gs keeps reducing debt and cutting deals ... winding the crank on the trebuchet 

Boys and girls. We have front row seats for a crazy ridiculous opportunity. Thanks to the overhang. Thanks to the history. Thanks to beelzebub. Whatever. Its all about to change. This year? Maybe. Next year? How could it not? I have seen it written here before, gs is crazy high risk. But it is crazy risk way down here in the trebuchet, held back, hidden at a tz1, $0.10, $37 mil valuation while they push value to a multiple of that. Jglex is right about one thing at least. Sooner or later ... vavavwoosh. GLTA.

"This stock is a very long term, venture capital investment. Personally, I believe there is great upside potential, here, but you should be prepared to hold your shares for at least 3 years from here. In the meantime, liquidity may be very sparse; and spreads may remain very wide. So, if you are forced to sell early, you may have to suffer a large loss."

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Anonymous said...

Why couldn't they had the same affect with a share buy back and then cancel the shares, instead of a R/S?

Anonymous said...

Because jglex is right .. the buyers are still waiting on the sidelines without the R/S.

Does anyone really believe that it makes sence for them to take cash now and buyback stock that was converted at a discount to market when they can buy down the debt itself and *prevent* more shares from hitting the street? Say they have $1 mil to spend. With YA converting at a discount of 10% (90 % of the trailing 30 I think), gs can either buy back 10B shares from the float or prevent 11B new shares from issuing, and avoid penalties and interest expense at the same time.

Anonymous said...

A buyback will happen later only after the debt is gone. KK said this before. The good news is the year is half over and they're half way to the goal of contracts. These contracts will make all the debt evaporate. That's when the buyback begins.

Anonymous said...

Also dont they know things? Imagine how upset you would get if gs bought back all of your stock at tz1 and then they settled a month later. Would you be mad enough to sue? Arent there laws against that? If they took that $1 mil and bought back 10B shares, 3/4 of the float, 100s of people would be in the same boat. Maybe this is the real reason why they didn't go private as feared a few weeks ago? Irregardless buy back is a good idea for when the debt goes away.

Anonymous said...

How much longer will the debt be around with all the new business lately?

Anonymous said...

With ya limited to 4.9 and with the dtc chill how much dilution can we realistically see? I'd love to see that math? In other words ya can have up to 4.9 but they comvert to sell it. Once sold they can do it again. Is it 4.9 per month? Per week? Quarter? How quick does it take to convert deposit and sell by paper? How much dilution are we really looking at after the split? Thinking maybe chill is good thing

Anonymous said...

For those you dreamers who choose to dream and ignore the facts.

1. There is still 20 Billion A/S after the R/S is enforced.

2. Company only has $87k in cash as of last Q rpt.

3. All the news, and this Whale Turd is still on the ocean floor.

It will never happen people. You are wishing for something like fiscal responsibility from someone (KK) who has NEVER cared about the common shareholders and views them as his personal ATM.

Its alway "next year" with this company. The next Q report will be a HUGE disappointment and its just a matter of time before the Sunoco deal falls apart just like the GE deal. The reason for that is......(wait for it)....this stock is a SCAM!!

Anonymous said...

Skunk there is some good stuff here. I am trying to digest it all. Causing me to reevaluate. I for one could use your input. The math in Jonathan's catapult idea and real world impact of DTC. All factors I hadn't considered.

Anonymous said...

I would like to know what email address skunk used to get a reply back from KK.

Anonymous said...

Y?

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:10

Noobie 10:57 is right. The A/S is a red herring. We both know that without FAST access it'll take them weeks to clear and weeks to sell. They'll be lucky to get 700,000 shares per month or 7,000,000 in 12 months. That was only six zeros. Basic supply and demand. Low supply, increasing demand, increasing price. Strong bid, weak ask. I hate reverse splits and the history is uglyugly but there is too much here now to believe that we are at risk of the authorized getting tapped.

Anonymous said...

His email is kkreisler@greenshift.com

Anonymous said...

If these patent infringers can finally see the writing on the wall, then their only chance of NOT having to hand over the keys to their business to GreenShift is to cut them off from financing and stretch out a settlement as long as possible. Discourage investors and with the company unable to meet its obligations, put them into default and settle for pennies on the dollar with the creditors in bankrupcy court.

Ain't much of a plan but hey, at this point it may be all they got.

Makes you think about some of these posts that are over the top. Explains yahoo board.

I-hub makes professionals declare. Yahoo does not. Makes a world of difference in the posts

redman34990 said...

We need some clarity from Kevin because if this debt $39.0 mil is convertible then the company plans to issue 390 mil. shars after the splitwhich will reduce our shares from $0.15 to $0.00035 kind of what happend to the facebook dude in the movie? this can be avoide by a stock repurchase plan which they could do now with out a split. they need 2.0 bil now or 2.0 mil shrs after the split in order to keep us whole where we are now. even with the increase in earnings it woul be divided by the end result of 390 mil shares currently we have 15% market shr even with 75% 300 mil gal of corn oil at $270 round it off $1.0 bil sales 20% royalty $250 mil less expenses of 50 mil divided by 390 mil shares $0.50 net at 10x earnings $5.00 stock price.

Anonymous said...

Redman,

1. there is no possibility of a share buyback. Not today, not ever. There is no cash in the GERS account. Its all in the KK account. What happened to all the money over the last 5+ years??? They should have it, because they've R/S'd every year.

2. Point out a time when keeping the shareholders "whole" has ever been a concern for GERS. It has never been and will never be a concern.

3. Expect an R/S every year until they run out of suckers and then fold and go private.

4. 20 Billion A/S

5. 341 BILLION Convertible

That light you see at the end of the tunnel......ITS A TRAIN!!

Anonymous said...

With all the new business, how long before all the debts gone?

Anonymous said...

After the debts gone and they start the buyback with the profits, what will the stock be? Sounds like a settlement would wipe the debt slate clean.

GOLDDIGGER said...

$5?

Anonymous said...

Skunk, did you notice the one who keeps dropping the f bombs(I assume you are deleting due to profanity), mentioned he had a pharmacy background? one of "trustworthy" alias from years ago on raging bull also had an address that was tied to a pharmacy in CA. stevo they called him plus ten or more alias. some will stop at nothing here. This fight to succeed is going on at many different levels. keep fighting the good fight.

Big Easy

Anonymous said...

Trustworthy, Todu5613a, Jim42, Steveo all the same

 
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