Friday, May 4, 2012

GERS Answers Flottweg

ICM has already attempted to amend its complaint to include a claim directed to the same patent and the Court denied that motion.  In response to every Defendant who questioned CleanTech about the ‘517 Patent, CleanTech repeated that it did not currently intend to assert the ‘517 Patent.

See Here

And Here



nobody12378 said...

More procedure, more delays, and more costs; not an easy road. Obviously, marketing beats litigating as a method to earn money. I hope that this experience gives the decision makers pause when deciding whether to extend another round of litigation to include ADM, Cargill, or POET.

Slashnuts said...

Wild eyed accusations suggesting ADM and Cargill should be considered as committing a serious crime and included in the litigation with no proof of the two breaking the law is irresponsible at best. Especially when the proof points to the contrary.

The above link explains how ADM was the first to involve themselves in front-end extraction.

One of Cargill's largest ethanol investments, BIOF, is licensed already.

POET's CEO just stepped down and their corn oil patent application has been denied.

I see no reason for unjustified, irresponsible, baseless accusations of crimes targeted at potential and indirectly, current customers.

Good Luck To All!$!$!$!$!$

nobody12378 said...

Again, in your rabid defense of GERS you miss the bigger issue, of whether to engage in any further litigation. And it is your speculations that mislead here -- both ADM and POET have stated that they no intention of employing GERS technology, to imply that they are possible clients at this time is just unfair to readers that do not have the level of detail that you do.

Slashnuts said...

Did Center, Marquis, or Calgren intend to license with GERS when they were misled into installing infringing equimpment? No, but now they're licensed.

Did I intend to get in an accident? No but it happened. Now I'm getting paid.

ALL infringers are potential clients, including POET. Potential and possible have different meanings as well.

ADM clearly states on their website that they use front-end, an age old process at their wet mill plants. ADM doesn't claim any oil extraction at their dry mills and thus they remain a potential client.

One of Cargill's largest ethanol investments is BIOF and they're licensed. Without any proof of wrong doing from ADM or Cargill, your uneducated comments are out of line.

It's wrong and irresponsible to suggest these radical claims with no evidence to back it.

I expect this will be the last time it's suggested ADM or Cargill are breaking the law without anything proving these unfounded beliefs.

Good Luck To All!$!$!$!$!$!$

nobody12378 said...

Someone should check the recent proclamations about GERS and REX before taking additional proclamations to heart.

Anonymous said...

Get 'em slash

Anonymous said...

And Nobody gets shot down again. Love it when he gets shown up! Way to go slash.

Nobody continues to be pathetic.

Have a nice weekend :)

Lambertus said...

Obviously you have no clue;
How do you market a system with 20% royalty versus a 0% royalty system?


"More procedure, more delays, and more costs; not an easy road. Obviously, marketing beats litigating as a method to earn money."

Anonymous said...

"marketing beats litigating"

How many people are going to buy a license when the competition gets it for nothing.

Of course you have to enforce the patents or they are worthless.

We are enforcing the patents to protect the advantage of our growing customer base.

This is not being done on a whim. It is essential.

If you do not understand the purpose of the litigation you understand NOTHING.

nobody12378 said...

Here the apostles equivocate again. They tell us that the knock off systems that the infringers use do not perform as well as the GERS licensed technology. Now, for their convenience, they claim that the infringers can get get the same technology for nothing through their infringement. Which one is correct, you cannot have it both ways?

Anonymous said...

No the industry is saying the knock offs suck and Gers the best

Bob said...

An investor that wants the litigation to end? HAHAHA ya right sounds like a infringer to me.

Anonymous said...

Using faulty logic does not make an idiotic statement correct.

Admit that what you where trying to say was that you wished upon a star that the litigation is over and we won. You did not really mean that litigation is a waste. Or did you?

Nobody you should just admit that litigation is essential and leave it at that.

Even the best self-absorbed pseudo-intellectuals can mis-speak sometimes.

Anonymous said...

I know right? Protecting the patents is like super important. MissT

Ryan Shugart said...

As a bystander I guess skunk is for plantiffs and noone is for defendents. Am i right.

Anonymous said...

Greenshift rocks! DW rock's and EC has more more money than the
Lord Jesus Christ!!

Soon all be featured in Forbes, The journal and the New Yorker as the biggest success story of the decade. IMO.

Neil said...

Not quite as straight forward as that. Slash is an unabashed and very well informed supporter of GERS and ferrets out all sorts of into for the interested. Nobody stirs the pot a bit by taking a contrary view - quite rightly imo - and asking the difficult questions. They're both GERS supporters, but with different viewpoints (although I'm sure this post will be followed by outrage by the unquestioning who cannot bear to hear what Nobody says as it's not all positive).

Anonymous said... you really believe the crap you just wrote or have you been drinking the koolaid earlier then normal.

nobody12378 said...


Wrong, I am long and very strong. What I will not do is foist old information, misleading "Oh my God's", on unsuspecting newbies. I will not attempt to bias them into purchasing GERS at this time when I am no longer purchasing it for myself as there is strong evidence that the PPS and revenue/earnings are not connected at this time. In other words, I will not ignore important questions and negative issues, only broadcast the good even if it is dated, in order to promote my own positions. The fact that almost everyone takes my position and objective to mean I am paid by ICM is an indictment of the moral fiber of many who respond to my posts and their world view that anything that doesn't help make them money is corrupt. On the other hand, they may be no stronger supporter of the very long term than I am.

Anonymous said...

Neil and Nobody already in bed together for the weekend as they typing this crap.

You 2 are pathetic.

Anonymous said... post of the day!!!

Anonymous said...

My 2 cents? Why does GERS insist on not including the "517" patent. Has anyone reviewed the "517" patent to see why the defendants want it included in the litigation and GERS does not? What is in the "517" patent that would help the defendants and hurt GERS.

Something does not jive here because I would think GERS would want to hang as much evidence against the infringers as could be generated, yet the "517" patent seems to bother GERS.

Also, GERS does not need anymore defendants to tackle now. A pay-out of winning this litigation will provide funds to then turn eyes on others. If this one is not won, why complicate the litigation by brining in new defendants with new money? Do not forget the DOES 1-30 also listed in the litigation yet to be named. That line may be filled in at a later date depending on how the litigation negins to unfold.

I am a GERS invester. GLTA

total truth said...

Hey nobody you fool nobody we all know your into shortsales you ask no questions but continuosly bash gers your not a long quit lying you tadaa niel and jim. We are not your fools how did you like the 111k shares you had to buy yesterday . I call it like I see it and that's the whole truth. And wich one was forced to buy the other 100k lol. You and your buddys are pathetic exuses for humans and we wonder why the global economy is suffering its people like you. No beating around the bush here your dirty little secret is out of the bag. End of story!

Anonymous said...

CleanTech repeated that it did not currently intend to assert the ‘517 Patent.


This is a war of attrition. Greenshift is trying to beat down the morale of the defendants and exhaust them. Leaving the uncertainy of another patent (517)out there (and now another the 5th) and with the 6th soon to come), the defendants have more reason to settle rather than have some plan to weazel out of this one only to have to go through it all again and again and again.

You hope they make a business decision to settle rather than fight this uncertainy for years, it is as simple as that. You peal them off one at a time until you are left with the rotten core. This is a common strategy and very effective with multiple defendants.

Do not be fooled. They also have much the same plan. Which has failed so far. To exhaust and demoralize the GERS stakeholders. You can decide for yourself how they are currently implementing their plan.

Anonymous said...

Oops, sorry, I was looking for the yahoo board and thought this was it!

nobody12378 said...


He is right. Take your schizophrenic assertions to Yahoo.

Schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by a breakdown of thought processes and by poor emotional responsiveness. It most commonly manifests itself as paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking, and it is accompanied by significant social or occupational dysfunction.

Anonymous said...

Nobody being a liar is one of the seven deadly's. Someday every man and women will have to answer for what they have done. Your the only one who has to answer for you. I agree with total but I think he left out four two.

Anonymous said...

You can add barraducus and slimball to that list to. Or are they all you? Well I know Jim is not you he's to smart!

Anonymous said...


As much as I hate to recommend this, please take down the comments priviledge. I have been required to sort through all this non-information childish quibling just to sort out a few items of real information.

Mostly, I can make my own determinations based upon your excellent fact based posts. The rest of the comments appear to be wishers and bashers, while I want facts.

Anon, thanks for your perspective on the "517" as it makes things more clear for me. The rest, please go back to yahoo with your reteric.

I am a GERS investor, GLTA

totaltruth said...

Ok just for the record that was not me that posted earlier. It does appear someone does their homework though. It does seem like that would be something I would say but its not I. I personally don't believe jim is a shorter (not yet anyways). But taadaa and nobody well I think there is a better possibility there! If you'll notice how the name was wrote," total truth" there is a space in between. I never use a space. And just because jims upset with me and we couldn't agree to disagree doesn't mean that I think anything ill of him or anyone for that matter.

I don't believe in holding grudges. And while I don't like shorting and think its bad for the economy. I don't believe anyone is a pathetic excuse for a human being. I may think its disgaceful but I wouldn't say such things as what was posted.

On that note nobody if you have beef with my disagreements with you and your tactics than we can hash it out right here. However please refrain from cursing and making statements about mental health. Its a bit disturbing that you would do such things. As most people can't help their mental condition and is usually a chemical inbalance. I have no such condition. And feel those accusations was a bit childish.

Anonymous said...

So who is pitching and who is catching!

Anonymous said...

nobodys new yohoo name is fridgeddisco

Anonymous said...

and drjerry99

nobody12378 said...

Every one keeps yelling IT is not happening. Yet, IT comes like clock work near the end of the session every day. When a model consistently predicts outcomes it should be hard for objective minded people to dismiss the model. The model predicts again today that we will have at least 50,000 - 80,000 shares of dilution. So we have another test of the model today. We will have validation of the cumulative impact in a week or so with the Q1.

What's important about the model is not the dilution but the continued decline in the PPS created by IT. IT will continue until there is new financing and a pledge of no more dilution or the litigation is successfully concluded (which ends the dilution). Therefore, the PPS decline will continue despite improving fundamentals as it is the dilution that is driving the decline. Thus, we also have a test of the hypothesis today that the PPS and fundamentals will remain disconnected until the dilution is resolved, one way or another.

Anonymous said...

That May 5th post couldn't have been by Totaltruth. The real Total doesn't know how to spell or put a complete sentence together. Supposedly, he's some sort of executive who's always coming and going from meetings, but he has time to post on ihub 24/7 about a penny stock! The corporate world has really lowered their standards!

Slashnuts said...

Corn LP Q112 Newsletter: Corn Oil "Firmly On-line"
Breaks Production Record!

"We are now one-fourth of the way into this new year of
2012, and things thus far are shaping up a little better than we
had anticipated.

The price of ethanol was relatively unchanged from a year
ago, but our sales increased by 1.5 million gallons, plus we had
our highest quarter of production ever, breaking the old record
set just last quarter.

Also adding to increased sales was dried distillers grain being
higher by $27.00 per ton compared to a year ago at this time,
plus CORN, LP has now had a full quarter of corn oil production.
You may recall the corn oil extraction systems was first
added in February of 2011, however between then and the start
of this first quarter of 2012 we have been fine-tuning the
process so that it was not until we were already into the fourth
quarter of 2011 that corn oil production was firmly on-line.

While the impact those items will have on CORN, LP as we
move forward into 2012 and the future will indeed be significant,
there is one more item I want to touch briefly on that I
also mentioned during my Annual Meeting presentation.
That item is the exciting news which was announced at he
Annual Meeting that this year CORN, LP will begin the process
of converting the plant over from a coal powered plant to one
that operates on natural gas."

The existing packing was not designed for the high rates of
production the plant is currently kicking out, and by that I
mean our 55,000,000 gallons of ethanol per year design is, at
times, kicking out at a rate equivalent to 64,500,000 gallons per

Not only do savings of this magnitude dramatically strengthen
the balance sheet at CORN, LP, they also create additional
opportunities for us to more aggressively investigate other costsaving
and income-enhancing opportunities."

I can't help but wonder if "investigate other costsaving
and income-enhancing opportunities" has anything to do with Greenshift's other technologies that they say producers are now taking interest in. Nice to see corn LP braking records and having corn oil "firmly on-line".

Good Luck To All!$!$!$!$!$!$!$

Slashnuts said...

ANDE: Increased Income From Corn Oil

The Andersons Beats Estimates With Record Results...Expects 2nd Best Year Ever! Acquistion Of Infringer Amaizing Energy Complete!

"MAUMEE, Ohio, May 7, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- The Andersons, Inc. (ANDE), today announced record first quarter net income attributable to the company of $18.4 million, or $0.98 per diluted share, on revenues of $1.1 billion. In the same three month period of 2011

There was, however, increased income from corn oil, E-85, and CO2. Total revenues for the quarter were $151 million. In comparison, the group's revenues for the same period last year were $133 million. The revenue increase is primarily due to an increase in the average price per gallon.

Last week, our new ethanol investment affiliate, The Andersons Denison Ethanol LLC, acquired an existing ethanol plant in Denison, Iowa from Amaizing Energy Company. We will operate the plant and handle all marketing and origination services as we do for the other three ethanol LLCs in which we have an investment," added Mr. Anderson

Overall, we expect 2012 to be our second best year ever," concluded Mr. Anderson.

The company will host a webcast on Tuesday, May 8, 2012 at 11:00 A.M. ET, to discuss its performance. This can be accessed under the heading "Investor" on its website at"

Anonymous said...

Good work Slash, thanks.

Anonymous said...

Great job Slash...Is Corn LP setting the record with the Greenshift system?

Anonymous said...

Don't want to speak for slash but no it is not a Greenshift system.

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