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Feedstock Conditioning!
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer, 37
So who will benefit from this relationship? Stay tuned to find out!
Project Manager, 2006-08 Greenshift Ethanol Conf Attendee, Alparetta, GA - About 28 years old
Rachael is a 1994 Graduate of Lakeside, a private Prep school in Seattle, WA. Rachael is a graduate of The University of the South, with a cum laude bachelor's degree in biological psychology and minors in fine arts and philosophy. One time IBM site designer, worked on Macy's e-commerce site and the redesign of the NYSE site. Founder of Kissykat and Candent Corp. As of March 31, 2008, the Company (GERS) owed Candent Corporation $757,853 (the "Candent Note"). The former president of Candent is the wife of the Company's chairman. All of the issued and outstanding capital stock held by Candent is in trust for the benefit of its former president. The note payable to Candent shall bear interest at a rate of 10% per year and matures November 8, 2010. (P. 21 1st Quarter)
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Kevin Kreisler
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Time Line for Patents
- 17 Aug 2004 Clean Tech filed first COES Provisional Patent Application “050”
- 2004 Inventors Disclosed Technology to ICM. ICM executed Confidentiality Agreement. ICM purchases two authorized COES.p3
- June 2005: Westfalia is still "developing" COES technology while ICM is finally installing the two COES bought from the Inventors the year before
- 2005 The Inventors invited Ethanol manufacturers to symposium to hear about COES – 30% attended.(SkunK's idea on which one)
- 5 May 2005 Clean Tech filed first COES Non-Provisional Patent Application “859”
- 23 Feb 2006 '858 patent publication date.
- 23 Feb 2006 '729 publication date
- 6 May 2009 GERS receives Notice of Allowance for first Patents
- U.S. Patent 7,601,858 issued 13 Oct 2009
- U.S. Patent 7,608,729 issued 27 Oct 2009
- 16 Feb 2010 Notice Of Allowance Issued For Third GreenShift Corn Oil Extraction Patent
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CHAIRMAN of the GERS BOARD
Mr Kevin Kreisler maintains his GERS stock through his holding company: Viridis Capital, LLC. Mr. Kreisler is a graduate of Rutgers University College of Engineering (B.S., Civil and Environmental Engineering, 1994), Rutgers University Graduate School of Management (M.B.A., 1995), and Rutgers University School of Law (J.D., 1997). Served as the Company’s vice president from 1998 to 2000, president from 2000 to 2002, chief executive officer from 2002 to 2005 and has served as the Company’s chairman from 2005 to the present. Admitted to practice law in New Jersey and the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey. Kevin Kreisler is the sole owner of Viridis Capital LLC; GreenSpace Capital, LLC; Incandent Capital, L.L.C. Mr. Kevin Kreisler is about 37 years old.
"Roots" of Greenshift
- Greenshift Corp - until present
- GS Clean Tech Corp - until 2-2008 - 1-50 Reverse Split 12Dec2007
- VERIDIUM CORP until 7-2006
- KBF Pollution Management Inc from 3-1996 until 10-2003 - 1-20 Reverse Split 21Oct03
- KBF Pollution Control Inc 1984-1996
- Kreisler Bags - then - Kreisler Bags and Filtration 1979-1984 (hence "KBF" above)
Technicians and Magicians Behind the Curtain
David Fred Cantrell - Graduate of the University of Georgia where he received a Masters Degree in Poultry Science and Statistics. Co-inventor of COE technology with Dave Winsness. Started: Cantrell Winsness Technologies LLC. Next: CEO of Mean Green Biodiesel. Works out of One Penn Plaza, NY?
Dan Lester - Project Manager, GS CleanTech. Past: Warnecke Design Engineer 2004-2007; Imagetech Inc. Engineer 2001-2004. Education: Devry University EET, Electronics Engineering, 1998 — 2001
Patrick Bush - GreenShift’s Vice President of Biodiesel Technology
Dan Page - Attended 2008 Ethanol Conference for Greenshift Corp from Alpharetta, GA.
Dan Saltzman - Controller Greenshift Corporation
Past: 2001 — 2004 Assistant Controller, New York Mortgage;
1989 — 2000 Assistant Vice President Financial Reporting, Scudder; 1984 — 1997 Bucknell University
Jacqueline Flynn - Controller of GreenShift Corporation since 2006. She is the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) and Chief Accounting Officer for ESYM/ADRN. She is also the CFO for CICS. She has twenty years experience in financial accounting for both public and private companies.
Mary J. Carroll - Worked in GreenShift Administration since at least December of 2003. Presently GreenShift Vice President of Administration.
John W. Davis - John "Whit" Davis, has a B.S. in Civil Engineering from the U.S. Coast Guard Academy and an M.B.A from Boston University. GS CleanTech's new Vice President of Operations (as of PR 22 Jan '07), has a broad base of diversified management, engineering, operational and business development experience. Mr. Davis led the deployment of GS CleanTech's existing Corn Oil Extraction System installations at Little Sioux Corn Processors and Glacial Lakes Energy. Most recently in his career, Mr. Davis was the technical director for special projects at Vortex Dehydration Technology, where he led product design, development and implementation for many applications of the technologies underlying GS CleanTech's Tornado Generator[TM]. Mr. Davis holds the rank of Lt. Commander as a reservist with the U.S. Coast Guard. (One of four original COES Inventors.)
Dan Lester - Project Manager, GS CleanTech. Past: Warnecke Design Engineer 2004-2007; Imagetech Inc. Engineer 2001-2004. Education: Devry University EET, Electronics Engineering, 1998 — 2001
Patrick Bush - GreenShift’s Vice President of Biodiesel Technology
Dan Page - Attended 2008 Ethanol Conference for Greenshift Corp from Alpharetta, GA.
Dan Saltzman - Controller Greenshift Corporation
Past: 2001 — 2004 Assistant Controller, New York Mortgage;
1989 — 2000 Assistant Vice President Financial Reporting, Scudder; 1984 — 1997 Bucknell University
Jacqueline Flynn - Controller of GreenShift Corporation since 2006. She is the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) and Chief Accounting Officer for ESYM/ADRN. She is also the CFO for CICS. She has twenty years experience in financial accounting for both public and private companies.
Mary J. Carroll - Worked in GreenShift Administration since at least December of 2003. Presently GreenShift Vice President of Administration.
John W. Davis - John "Whit" Davis, has a B.S. in Civil Engineering from the U.S. Coast Guard Academy and an M.B.A from Boston University. GS CleanTech's new Vice President of Operations (as of PR 22 Jan '07), has a broad base of diversified management, engineering, operational and business development experience. Mr. Davis led the deployment of GS CleanTech's existing Corn Oil Extraction System installations at Little Sioux Corn Processors and Glacial Lakes Energy. Most recently in his career, Mr. Davis was the technical director for special projects at Vortex Dehydration Technology, where he led product design, development and implementation for many applications of the technologies underlying GS CleanTech's Tornado Generator[TM]. Mr. Davis holds the rank of Lt. Commander as a reservist with the U.S. Coast Guard. (One of four original COES Inventors.)
Christopher Kennedy
Project Manager, 2006-08 Greenshift Ethanol Conf Attendee, Alparetta, GA - About 28 years old
Public History of the Keisler Family
The lovely Mrs. Rachael Kreisler
Rachael is a 1994 Graduate of Lakeside, a private Prep school in Seattle, WA. Rachael is a graduate of The University of the South, with a cum laude bachelor's degree in biological psychology and minors in fine arts and philosophy. One time IBM site designer, worked on Macy's e-commerce site and the redesign of the NYSE site. Founder of Kissykat and Candent Corp. As of March 31, 2008, the Company (GERS) owed Candent Corporation $757,853 (the "Candent Note"). The former president of Candent is the wife of the Company's chairman. All of the issued and outstanding capital stock held by Candent is in trust for the benefit of its former president. The note payable to Candent shall bear interest at a rate of 10% per year and matures November 8, 2010. (P. 21 1st Quarter)
Kreisler Family Involved in GERS
Lawrence M. Kreisler - Lawrence is the sole owner of Serenity Capital, LLC. Built Kreisler Bags, then Kreisler Bags and Filters, then KBF Pollution Control Inc., then KBF Pollution Management Inc. After 1-20 R/S Sept2003 company was taken over by Veridium Corp in Oct2003, controlled by son Kevin. Resigned, effective December 31, 2003, as an officer and director of Veridium Corporation. Continued to work at Veridium's Paterson, New Jersey based recycling facility, that was designed on recycling technologies he invented. His employment was terminated in July 2004 due to irreconcilable philosophical differences in how to best operate and grow that facility. Bronze Parachute included: 100 percent of his salary of $150,000 through December 31, 2004 and 50 percent of his salary through December 31, 2006. Medical benefits until the age of 65. Lawrence is about 61 years old.
Scott Kreisler - Scott is the sole owner of Cyrus Capital, LLC. Brother of Kevin Kreisler, listed as a Beneficial Owner of Veridium Corporation on 4/2/2002 SEC filings. The 2005 annual report also says: "During 2005, Scott Kreisler, brother of Kevin Kreisler, received salaries of $72,700. Scott Kreisler no longer works for the Company." In February 2006, Cyrus Capital, LLC, purchased from GCS Investments $500,000 in convertible debt issuedby GS Clean Tech. During the period ended March 31, 2006, Cyrus effected conversions totaling $280,000, corresponding to 14,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock. During the second quarter 2006 Cyrus effected additional conversions totaling $120,000 into a total of 6,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock.
Kathi A. Kreisler From a 3/30/2001 filing: Kathi Kreisler is a Co-founder of VERIDIUM CORPORATION and served as its President from 1984 through December 1994. She has been a director since March 1984. In January 1995, Ms. Kreisler became vice president, secretary and treasurer of Veridium Corporation. From 1979 to 1984, Ms. Kreisler was a principal in Kreisler Bags and Filtration, Inc., which name was subsequently changed to KBF Pollution Management, Inc. Ms. Kreisler is the wife of Lawrence Kreisler and is the mother of Kevin and Scott Kreisler. During 2005, Kathi Kreisler received salaries of $33,750. During December of 2005, Kathi Kreisler received 3,806,811 shares of the Company's common stock as a settlement of all severance liabilities.
MIF During the first quarter 2008, Minority Interest Fund (II), LLC ("MIF") acquired the Kerns $1,000,000 Debenture. In February 2008, MIF subsequently fully converted this debenture at the rate of $0.16 per share into 6,875,000 shares of Company common stock. The managing member of MIF is a relative of Kevin Kreisler. (p. 23 1st Qtr Rpt)
Scott Kreisler - Scott is the sole owner of Cyrus Capital, LLC. Brother of Kevin Kreisler, listed as a Beneficial Owner of Veridium Corporation on 4/2/2002 SEC filings. The 2005 annual report also says: "During 2005, Scott Kreisler, brother of Kevin Kreisler, received salaries of $72,700. Scott Kreisler no longer works for the Company." In February 2006, Cyrus Capital, LLC, purchased from GCS Investments $500,000 in convertible debt issuedby GS Clean Tech. During the period ended March 31, 2006, Cyrus effected conversions totaling $280,000, corresponding to 14,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock. During the second quarter 2006 Cyrus effected additional conversions totaling $120,000 into a total of 6,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock.
Kathi A. Kreisler From a 3/30/2001 filing: Kathi Kreisler is a Co-founder of VERIDIUM CORPORATION and served as its President from 1984 through December 1994. She has been a director since March 1984. In January 1995, Ms. Kreisler became vice president, secretary and treasurer of Veridium Corporation. From 1979 to 1984, Ms. Kreisler was a principal in Kreisler Bags and Filtration, Inc., which name was subsequently changed to KBF Pollution Management, Inc. Ms. Kreisler is the wife of Lawrence Kreisler and is the mother of Kevin and Scott Kreisler. During 2005, Kathi Kreisler received salaries of $33,750. During December of 2005, Kathi Kreisler received 3,806,811 shares of the Company's common stock as a settlement of all severance liabilities.
MIF During the first quarter 2008, Minority Interest Fund (II), LLC ("MIF") acquired the Kerns $1,000,000 Debenture. In February 2008, MIF subsequently fully converted this debenture at the rate of $0.16 per share into 6,875,000 shares of Company common stock. The managing member of MIF is a relative of Kevin Kreisler. (p. 23 1st Qtr Rpt)
The SkunK on the Big Picture Stuff
Capitalism
"This system is not bad, it is just how things have worked in every functional society since time began. Someone provides a good or service in exchange for receiving a good or service. Money just facilitates making change and keeping score."
Socialism
"A system where more goods and services are provided to those who provide less goods and services." Leads to less goods and services.
Communism
"Where the link to producing goods and services and receiving goods and services is severed. Outdated, shabby or no production follows. Leads in time to a robust Free Enterprise system - starting with a black market."
"This system is not bad, it is just how things have worked in every functional society since time began. Someone provides a good or service in exchange for receiving a good or service. Money just facilitates making change and keeping score."
Socialism
"A system where more goods and services are provided to those who provide less goods and services." Leads to less goods and services.
Communism
"Where the link to producing goods and services and receiving goods and services is severed. Outdated, shabby or no production follows. Leads in time to a robust Free Enterprise system - starting with a black market."
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Note: I am a shareholder - I do not work for, nor do I receive any direct or indirect payment from GERS or anyone associated with them. (But it would be Kapitalist Kool if I did) I will not intentionally mislead - but I can be wrong (ask Mrs. SkunK for specific frequencies) - so do your own due diligence - and take responsibility for your own financial decisions – (and your own life in general) good or bad. I do not give financial advice - I let you look at my dd as I try to make sense of it all and make MY decisions. Make your own! I have been rightfully accused of being a rather cheery, positive individual who laughs at every opportunity. These tendencies may cause me to overlook deficiencies in this stock that are painfully obvious to others. Celebrate today - and some good garage logic luck to ya.
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(Blogger formerly know as Skunk)
Disclaimer for those who need additional clarification. . .
My beliefs and the financial strategies discussed on this site are not to be used without proper financial analysis of your personal situation. Better yet, you do not have my permission to use them at all. I strongly suggest you seek help of a financial advisor or, even better, a Certified Financial Planner in order to assist you in any financial planning. I am not selling or advising you to buy any financial products. I am not selling or advising you to buy this stock or any other stock! I am just blogging about one of my favourite subjects! This is a hobby for me and should only be entertainment for you. You may analyse my opinions and determine if they suit you or not. I hope that your personal finance path to your goals will be covered with success and profit. Enjoy your reading.
Additional Disclaimer for the real knukleheads . . . .
Look, if your still reading this disclaimer and haven't figured out my name is SkunK and I don't know nothin' then you really need help. If you still want to blindly go out and do whatever some dude on the internet does then I can't help you. If you are not emotionally secure enough to suffer another's opinion - then turn the dang channel. Quickly seek a mental health professional! I am not one of them either!
Still do not understand? This is for the Lawyers (lol)
DISCLAIMER: The author is not a registered stockbroker nor a registered advisor and does not give investment advice. His comments are an expression of opinion only and should not be construed in any manner whatsoever as recommendations to buy or sell a stock, option, future, bond, commodity, index or any other financial instrument at any time. While he believes his statements to be true, they always depend on the reliability of his sources. The author recommends that you consult with a qualified investment advisor, one licensed by appropriate regulatory agencies in your legal jurisdiction, before making any investment decisions, and that you confirm the facts on your own before making important investment commitments.
Note: I am a shareholder - I do not work for, nor do I receive any direct or indirect payment from GERS or anyone associated with them. (But it would be Kapitalist Kool if I did) I will not intentionally mislead - but I can be wrong (ask Mrs. SkunK for specific frequencies) - so do your own due diligence - and take responsibility for your own financial decisions – (and your own life in general) good or bad. I do not give financial advice - I let you look at my dd as I try to make sense of it all and make MY decisions. Make your own! I have been rightfully accused of being a rather cheery, positive individual who laughs at every opportunity. These tendencies may cause me to overlook deficiencies in this stock that are painfully obvious to others. Celebrate today - and some good garage logic luck to ya.
SkunK
(Blogger formerly know as Skunk)
Disclaimer for those who need additional clarification. . .
My beliefs and the financial strategies discussed on this site are not to be used without proper financial analysis of your personal situation. Better yet, you do not have my permission to use them at all. I strongly suggest you seek help of a financial advisor or, even better, a Certified Financial Planner in order to assist you in any financial planning. I am not selling or advising you to buy any financial products. I am not selling or advising you to buy this stock or any other stock! I am just blogging about one of my favourite subjects! This is a hobby for me and should only be entertainment for you. You may analyse my opinions and determine if they suit you or not. I hope that your personal finance path to your goals will be covered with success and profit. Enjoy your reading.
Additional Disclaimer for the real knukleheads . . . .
Look, if your still reading this disclaimer and haven't figured out my name is SkunK and I don't know nothin' then you really need help. If you still want to blindly go out and do whatever some dude on the internet does then I can't help you. If you are not emotionally secure enough to suffer another's opinion - then turn the dang channel. Quickly seek a mental health professional! I am not one of them either!
Still do not understand? This is for the Lawyers (lol)
DISCLAIMER: The author is not a registered stockbroker nor a registered advisor and does not give investment advice. His comments are an expression of opinion only and should not be construed in any manner whatsoever as recommendations to buy or sell a stock, option, future, bond, commodity, index or any other financial instrument at any time. While he believes his statements to be true, they always depend on the reliability of his sources. The author recommends that you consult with a qualified investment advisor, one licensed by appropriate regulatory agencies in your legal jurisdiction, before making any investment decisions, and that you confirm the facts on your own before making important investment commitments.
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--Rabbi Shlomo Riskin
First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.
-- Gandhi
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--Rabbi Shlomo Riskin
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-- Gandhi
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It just don't fit anywhere else!
SkunK's Public Library; Magazine Section
- June 2008 Bio-Diesel Mag - New Bio-Diesel method that can use corn oil
- Marion (3rd COE) site and COE/Biodiesel
- Dr. Bayless explains Algae process he sold to Greenshift
- Our Algae slime is 94% starch and 6% oil
- and the super "algae" comes from Yellowstone
- Biodiesel Nov 2006 - The Matchmaker
- Forbes Dan Fisher Article
- Distillers Grain Quarterly - 2007 1st Quarter - "COE Opens New Markets"
40 comments:
Woo! Go GERS!
More seemingly meaningless fluff or substance that can be truned into share appreciation? If history is any indication, we go lower on the news. Go figure...
For many months, years in fact, the PPS has not been driven by what some would call fundamentals (e.g. revenues, new patents, positive outcomes of the litigation (Markman)). The factors that drive the PPS are related to debt, KK, YAGI, prolonged litigation, dilution, etc. If the PPS falls today it has little to do with the "news" you are referencing.
Damnit nobody12378!
The stock wasn't dropping yesterday, and actually rose a little (despite you're people saying there would be mass sell-offs) because you weren't posting you're b.s. panic posts. Please stop posting on here and iHub so the stock can continue it's slow climb back up.
I'm convinced, whenever you or fourtwo or tadaa (which is probably one person since none of them coincidently posted anything yesterday), if you would just stop running your mouth, this stock could do good.
Your annoying objective questioning does nothing but hurt the stock. If you have questions, then look in the mirror and ask your self them. Stop posting them non-stop on these investor boards.
You and your people were expecting the stock to go lower, and it didn't. In fact, it went up a little.
The ONLY coorelation is that, for the first time ever, you weren't posting your b.s. panic posts.
So please, leave Skunk's and iHub's board alone, so we can finally see the stock rise back up, with out you and your friends driving it down with panic posts and so-called "objective questioning".
If you believe that dribble then you must believe that the rising sun is responsible for all deaths since the sun rises before the death of each person on this earth. Good luck to you in investing and in life with that mind set.
We are up 17% are my posts responsible for that?
Nice patent....however it has no practical application in the ethanol industry or any other industry that I know of. Go Greenshift!
Make that UP 27% in 30 minutes! Man am I good.
Honestly its more disheartening to hear the things nobody says day to day but he has nothing to do w pps.
Nycdream
Nycdreaming -- be careful you will soon be lumped in with me Todu, Jim, Fourtwo, anybody who doesn't constantly sing the praises of GERS. After all, there can only be one person that can see the warts here and therefore, we must all be the same person. Same logic fallacy as
Post hoc ergo propter hoc. In case you did not know this is Latin for "after this, therefore because of this," is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states, Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one.
nobody 754
I dunno Nobody.. stock isn't doing too bad today, and you havent posted your usual doom-&-gloom.
Maybe Anony 8.30 is on to something.
Wrong look a little more closely. My "doom and gloom" is worn with objective honor.
Yuk! When you click on Greenshift's name on the FEW exhibitor list you are routed to the antiquated GERS web site. Compare this to what happens when you click on ICM. Come on folks, there has to be enough revenue to at least look up-to-date and professional, to potential clients.
nobody is jimm tadaa four2
nobody is anti Gers an pro Icm
I think it is impossible for Nobody, or anybody for that matter, to be objective if you own some of GERS. Nobody says he's objective, but from what I have read in his posts for at least a year he is anything but objective. He likes to throw around that word as if he has some kind of higher moral value than the rest of us. His own personal bias and emotion towards GERS has rendered him void of objectivity.
"Nycdreaming -- be careful you will soon be lumped in with me Todu"
Wow doesn't todu hang around yahoo? nobody said anything about todu
is nobody self admitting something here?
Notice how Nobody NEVER has anything positive to say, and he'll post the same negative posts copy-and-pasted that he posts on iHub.
I feel bad for the people that actually listen to him, because they're being scared away from an absolutely great investment.
GERS blender pump patents.
The latest move could make for blender pumps to become widely used across the nation.
SHORT SQUEEZE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL MORNING !!!
OH, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL DAY !!!!
OH, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL FEELING, EVERYTHING'S GOING MY WAY !!!!!
You are right the "party" is over, I am going to have get back those 1.2 million short shares; I have ridden this down as far as I dare.
I guess that you will believe that one?
about time you came clean
most honest post to date
You can cover 1/2 your short but will cost 6 cents share.
short killa
Your equating honesty with what you want to hear is equivalent to equating truth to gossip.
(be careful you will soon be lumped in with me Todu, Jim, Fourtwo, anybody who doesn't constantly sing the praises of GERS)
This is improper English.
Proper English would be to say Todu, Jim, Fourtwo and I.
I'm surprised Jim doesn't correct your poor sentence structure.
yea jimmbody, why dont you ever jump all over this for spelling and grammar. you attack Gers investors but dont attack yourself
Nobody your always bashing. Don't you have a real job. I know your paid by icm because no one else has the time to post as much as you day to day
Don't you mean year to year?
Anony 1:13 and 1:24..you're both right.
It's year to year; day to day.
Except monday.. when the stock stopped dropping and started to rise.
Hmm...
Great question. I've never seen Jim or Nobody {collectively Jimmbody} acknowledge the mistakes each moniker makes in writing. They point out mistakes if you're a investor but never one another.
I'm pleased with the continued progress this company is making.
I have a lot of new information I'll be sharing over the coming days.
It's my guess that the right to receive 20% of the distributable cash from YA Corn Oil is where the "$1.6M in cash payments in 2012" is coming from.
In other words, I think GERS has redirected this cash so that YA keeps it for debt payments instead of GERS recognizing it as revenue.
Remember, roughly 25% of GPRE's production,(Lakota/Riga) are part of the YA debt reduction deal.
I'm once again actively purchasing GPRE and GERS stock.
Good Luck To All!$!$!$
Anonymous 12:50
You incorrectly corrected an incorrect sentence.
The sentence you corrected, "be careful you will soon be lumped in with me Todu, Jim, Fourtwo, anybody who doesn't constantly sing the praises of GERS" had the correct pronoun "me" but in the wrong position of the sentence.
It should have read, "be careful you will soon be lumped in with Todu, Jim, Fourtwo, me and anybody who doesn't constantly sing the praises of GERS".
When you use a preposition such as "with" you always use a pronoun in the objective (Nobody) case. In this case it would be "me" rather than "I".
I am sure I got some of the punctuation wrong but I can never figure that part out. "I" and "me" are used incorrectly across the board from news anchors to educators.
Sorry about the grammar lesson, but the "I,me" thing is leftover from my childhood from my English teacher mother. Until the GERS share price starts heading north this is what gets my attention.
That's an interesting thought Slash. Anxious to see what else you found.
How can this be done? Doesn't the revenue first have to be accounted for before it become an expense? Not an accountant but it would seem like a lot of hanky panky COULD OCCUR IF THAT WAS NOT REQUIRED.
@nobody
It could explain some of the revenue discrepancies. The terms of the agreement with YA were never fully disclosed. We got some of the details, including the performance bonus, but we don't know what all was in the actual signed agreement. The only problem that I have with this explanation though, is that if this explains what happened with the revenue, why doesn't it appear to be reflected in the debt reduction?
Always some mystery. The debt did not seem to budge much. Are you saying that GPRE,for example, is paying YAGI directly? Would that be kosher?
Slash,
Are you saying the interest is being paid with cash from Yagi?
The fact that the 20% distributable cash is payable quarterly lends credit to why and where the "cash payments of $1.6M in 2012" is from. Since there's multiple distributions of cash, there's multiple cash payments being made.
Simply saying GERS revenue should be X amount since GPRE's is X doesn't work. 1/4 of GPRE's production royalty is tied to YA Corn Oil and this must be considered.
So yes, I think the 20% cash from YA Corn Oil is being used to "supplement and offset debt for equity conversions" and at a minimum it's covering the interest.
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