SkunK's attempt to condense ICM's Key Points - Using mostly ICM's language in the motion.
Count 1
1. Defendant GreenShift knowingly misrepresented itself as the owner of the ‘859 and ‘231 patent applications.
2. . . . substantial amendments made to the claims of the ‘859 and ‘231 patent applications since the publication date of the ‘859 and ‘231 patent applications.
Count II
3. None of the independent claims of the ’858 patent identify a quantity of oil; a rate at which oil must be obtained; identify a commercial standard for performing the method; nor a standard for determining that the concentrated thin stillage stream leaving [the] centrifuge is substantially free of oil.
4. Prior to July 31, 2003, David Cantrell was in possession of test results that established that oil could be easily separated from concentrated thin stillage by mechanical processing.The withholding of [this] information was with the intention of deceiving the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office about a written offer by David Cantrell to Agri-Energy, to sell an oil recovery system for recovering oil from concentrated thin stillage via mechanical separation more than one year prior to the August 17, 2004 filing date of U.S. Provisional Application Serial No. 60/602,050.
See ICM Filing Here
SkunK's answer to ICM's four points:
1. GreenShift owns 100% of Clean Tech and Clean Tech owns the patents. Does that mean GreenShift owns the patents? I don't know what the law says but I can apply common sense. We recently learned GPRE has an internal 100% owned company Green Plains Commodities LLC that runs their COE portion of their business. Does GPRE own its COE Systems? Or does Green Plains Commodities LLC? If no one paid ICM when they installed the GPRE COES, who would ICM have sued? Not much of a rusty nail to hang your jeans on.
2. Define "substantial"?
3. Again, define "substantial". GreenShift gets accused here of having received issued patents that are difficult to engineer around. I thought that was the point? I am sure ICM would have appreciated if GreenShift had limited their invention to COES painted green. Then ICM could have painted theirs red. GreenShift has patented a process and is not going to limit the process in any way to make engineering around it simple.
4. No mention of the experimentation exception. If one could receive patents off simple bench results - then I expect we would have numerous patents for perpetual motion machines. GreenShift went to experiment, refine and prove its invention in the field and patent law has a well known exception to the one year rule for this.
SkunK
Well of course its just my opinion. I would appreciate yours in the comment's section. Thanks
I think icm is grasping for straws just like nobody and barracackkaa. Who I might ad are the same people just a different alias its nobodys revenge he just couldn't stand there being only one crackpot post a day on ihub so he created barrapoopoo and post differently so we don't know its him.
ReplyDeleteYa I think bradalooney and nobody work for icm and they are worried their pockets aren't going to be very deep anymore. Moo!
ReplyDeleteHey skunk I'm in total agreement with you there as well as anonymous 1&2 have a great weekend!
ReplyDeleteThe mindless derelicts are unfortunately flocking to the Skunk site. This is too bad as it speaks volumes about the intellectual capacity of many GERSlanders and their support of GERS could scare off any thinking person. Soon we will be hearing that space invaders are the reason for the floundering PPS.
ReplyDeleteI've come to believe even ICM does not believe what they are putting out as arguments. I think they are just going through the motions. I agree with you Skunk the ICM claims here are very weak. I don't think ICM has any chance of success based on the Cantrell-timing of offer issue. There is simply too much evidence supporting GERS claims that it was a trial/test. I think your point on the "Substantial" term is spot on.Ollie.
ReplyDeleteDo not forget they are all still dealing with lawyers and liberal judges. At some point it will come down to what the meaning of "is" is. And it will be appealed until the decision meets their objective. Good luck to all.
ReplyDeleteGreenshift is toast!
ReplyDeleteOOPS! I was wrong, it is the liberal judges, not space invaders that cloud our future.
ReplyDeleteI like toast, toast taste good , has anyone seen petes pen?
ReplyDeleteGive it up nobody not even the ihub admins want to here from you they delete your post daily. The only thing your good at is stirring up the board as you base nothing on facts. Only half truths.
ReplyDeleteThe mindless and uneducated continue to struggle. I will help you. Your word for the day is "homonym": -- one or two words spelled and pronounced alike but different in meaning. Any idea why that word applies to your last post? I have a suggestion, learn the meaning of that word or you may one day post, "GERS is going to make me a lot of doe", when you meant "dough". You wouldn't want people to think that GERS was engaged in acts of bestiality (or zoophilia if you are Greek), would you? This company has far too much going for it to be dragged down by such aspersions created by your inadvertent use of homonyms. Now study hard and good day to you.
ReplyDeleteMmmm toast and dough and doe I'm getting hungry lmfao. Hey nobody it looks like you got quite a fan club going your almost as popular as skunk. Not in a good way. But we got another guy who's trying to compete with you hmm what was it they called him earlier bareboob. Idk anyways what ya gonna post about today on ihub care to take a stab at the at guessing if we will have shareholder letter next week.
ReplyDeleteWhat? Bareboob? Count me in, I'm interested. ahhhhhhhh, but not enough to go to i-hub. Send me pictures in care of Gers/Raging Bull
ReplyDeletePetal,
ReplyDeleteI have no idea if we are going to have one this coming week or this year. The lack of information coming from GERS central is notable, and I have no idea why this is occurring. Since we do not know the reason it could have implications for the shareholder letter as well. If you were a betting man, and you must be to be in GERS; if there is not a shareholder letter released by Wednesday morning it is a good bet that one will not be released next week.
If you are really lonesome for me you can always find me on the new Bill V GERS blog.
PS. I am still holding to my Thanksgiving prediction, the one that made you happy last Thanksgiving; the silence is giving me some concern however.
Icm's got nothing. Their arguements lack consistency. It's a throw it all and hope it sticks. How many different arguements have been debunked? How many of Icm patents have been rejected. Why did they even try for patents they first claimed it was unpatentable? What happened to prevost? Why doesn't Dvg want to be a defendent what's the worry? The judge will see how they jump from one debunked defense to another.
ReplyDeleteI wish I could sit in on this trial its hard to figure out what is really going on at the trial by a few documents. I can't tell if they are still on opening statements or closing statements for the injunction or closing statements or if they are having tea and crumpettes.
ReplyDeleteWe need a new survey - how much of the COES value will be consumed by the legal system?
ReplyDeleteYour point is well taken in one regard. GERS and its common shareholders need to have a settlement in order for the PPS to represent its value. There has always been the question of whether KK would accept a fair settlement now or wait until the settlement vanquishes the bad guys completely. Your guess is as good as anyone's where he rests in this continuum of settlement outcomes.
ReplyDeletei think there a difference between a contraption and a process not inherently contained within the former? two different things. the former for sale, the latter NOT.
ReplyDeleteRED HERRING!
Like skunk said greenshift needs to patent only the green COES and that way ICM can paint the ones they sell red. So then ICM is off the hook.
ReplyDeleteThe only question is what color does ICM paint the two prototypes they bought from GreenShift back in 2005?
You know the ones they reverse engineered to come up with their pirated, non-patened knockoffs that they sell to the back alley portion of the ethanol industry?
How about black and blue for Icms tainted image.
ReplyDeleteYellow
ReplyDeleteThe color of a cowardly little man that abandons personal responsibility for the actions of those he promised to protect.
Brown
The color of the BS he feeds to anyone willing to eat it.