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3:14-4:50 GERS COES
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Feedstock Conditioning!
Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer, 37
So who will benefit from this relationship? Stay tuned to find out!
Project Manager, 2006-08 Greenshift Ethanol Conf Attendee, Alparetta, GA - About 28 years old
Rachael is a 1994 Graduate of Lakeside, a private Prep school in Seattle, WA. Rachael is a graduate of The University of the South, with a cum laude bachelor's degree in biological psychology and minors in fine arts and philosophy. One time IBM site designer, worked on Macy's e-commerce site and the redesign of the NYSE site. Founder of Kissykat and Candent Corp. As of March 31, 2008, the Company (GERS) owed Candent Corporation $757,853 (the "Candent Note"). The former president of Candent is the wife of the Company's chairman. All of the issued and outstanding capital stock held by Candent is in trust for the benefit of its former president. The note payable to Candent shall bear interest at a rate of 10% per year and matures November 8, 2010. (P. 21 1st Quarter)
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Time Line for Patents
- 17 Aug 2004 Clean Tech filed first COES Provisional Patent Application “050”
- 2004 Inventors Disclosed Technology to ICM. ICM executed Confidentiality Agreement. ICM purchases two authorized COES.p3
- June 2005: Westfalia is still "developing" COES technology while ICM is finally installing the two COES bought from the Inventors the year before
- 2005 The Inventors invited Ethanol manufacturers to symposium to hear about COES – 30% attended.(SkunK's idea on which one)
- 5 May 2005 Clean Tech filed first COES Non-Provisional Patent Application “859”
- 23 Feb 2006 '858 patent publication date.
- 23 Feb 2006 '729 publication date
- 6 May 2009 GERS receives Notice of Allowance for first Patents
- U.S. Patent 7,601,858 issued 13 Oct 2009
- U.S. Patent 7,608,729 issued 27 Oct 2009
- 16 Feb 2010 Notice Of Allowance Issued For Third GreenShift Corn Oil Extraction Patent
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CHAIRMAN of the GERS BOARD
Mr Kevin Kreisler maintains his GERS stock through his holding company: Viridis Capital, LLC. Mr. Kreisler is a graduate of Rutgers University College of Engineering (B.S., Civil and Environmental Engineering, 1994), Rutgers University Graduate School of Management (M.B.A., 1995), and Rutgers University School of Law (J.D., 1997). Served as the Company’s vice president from 1998 to 2000, president from 2000 to 2002, chief executive officer from 2002 to 2005 and has served as the Company’s chairman from 2005 to the present. Admitted to practice law in New Jersey and the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey. Kevin Kreisler is the sole owner of Viridis Capital LLC; GreenSpace Capital, LLC; Incandent Capital, L.L.C. Mr. Kevin Kreisler is about 37 years old.
"Roots" of Greenshift
- Greenshift Corp - until present
- GS Clean Tech Corp - until 2-2008 - 1-50 Reverse Split 12Dec2007
- VERIDIUM CORP until 7-2006
- KBF Pollution Management Inc from 3-1996 until 10-2003 - 1-20 Reverse Split 21Oct03
- KBF Pollution Control Inc 1984-1996
- Kreisler Bags - then - Kreisler Bags and Filtration 1979-1984 (hence "KBF" above)
Technicians and Magicians Behind the Curtain
David Fred Cantrell - Graduate of the University of Georgia where he received a Masters Degree in Poultry Science and Statistics. Co-inventor of COE technology with Dave Winsness. Started: Cantrell Winsness Technologies LLC. Next: CEO of Mean Green Biodiesel. Works out of One Penn Plaza, NY?
Dan Lester - Project Manager, GS CleanTech. Past: Warnecke Design Engineer 2004-2007; Imagetech Inc. Engineer 2001-2004. Education: Devry University EET, Electronics Engineering, 1998 — 2001
Patrick Bush - GreenShift’s Vice President of Biodiesel Technology
Dan Page - Attended 2008 Ethanol Conference for Greenshift Corp from Alpharetta, GA.
Dan Saltzman - Controller Greenshift Corporation
Past: 2001 — 2004 Assistant Controller, New York Mortgage;
1989 — 2000 Assistant Vice President Financial Reporting, Scudder; 1984 — 1997 Bucknell University
Jacqueline Flynn - Controller of GreenShift Corporation since 2006. She is the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) and Chief Accounting Officer for ESYM/ADRN. She is also the CFO for CICS. She has twenty years experience in financial accounting for both public and private companies.
Mary J. Carroll - Worked in GreenShift Administration since at least December of 2003. Presently GreenShift Vice President of Administration.
John W. Davis - John "Whit" Davis, has a B.S. in Civil Engineering from the U.S. Coast Guard Academy and an M.B.A from Boston University. GS CleanTech's new Vice President of Operations (as of PR 22 Jan '07), has a broad base of diversified management, engineering, operational and business development experience. Mr. Davis led the deployment of GS CleanTech's existing Corn Oil Extraction System installations at Little Sioux Corn Processors and Glacial Lakes Energy. Most recently in his career, Mr. Davis was the technical director for special projects at Vortex Dehydration Technology, where he led product design, development and implementation for many applications of the technologies underlying GS CleanTech's Tornado Generator[TM]. Mr. Davis holds the rank of Lt. Commander as a reservist with the U.S. Coast Guard. (One of four original COES Inventors.)
Dan Lester - Project Manager, GS CleanTech. Past: Warnecke Design Engineer 2004-2007; Imagetech Inc. Engineer 2001-2004. Education: Devry University EET, Electronics Engineering, 1998 — 2001
Patrick Bush - GreenShift’s Vice President of Biodiesel Technology
Dan Page - Attended 2008 Ethanol Conference for Greenshift Corp from Alpharetta, GA.
Dan Saltzman - Controller Greenshift Corporation
Past: 2001 — 2004 Assistant Controller, New York Mortgage;
1989 — 2000 Assistant Vice President Financial Reporting, Scudder; 1984 — 1997 Bucknell University
Jacqueline Flynn - Controller of GreenShift Corporation since 2006. She is the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) and Chief Accounting Officer for ESYM/ADRN. She is also the CFO for CICS. She has twenty years experience in financial accounting for both public and private companies.
Mary J. Carroll - Worked in GreenShift Administration since at least December of 2003. Presently GreenShift Vice President of Administration.
John W. Davis - John "Whit" Davis, has a B.S. in Civil Engineering from the U.S. Coast Guard Academy and an M.B.A from Boston University. GS CleanTech's new Vice President of Operations (as of PR 22 Jan '07), has a broad base of diversified management, engineering, operational and business development experience. Mr. Davis led the deployment of GS CleanTech's existing Corn Oil Extraction System installations at Little Sioux Corn Processors and Glacial Lakes Energy. Most recently in his career, Mr. Davis was the technical director for special projects at Vortex Dehydration Technology, where he led product design, development and implementation for many applications of the technologies underlying GS CleanTech's Tornado Generator[TM]. Mr. Davis holds the rank of Lt. Commander as a reservist with the U.S. Coast Guard. (One of four original COES Inventors.)
Christopher Kennedy
Project Manager, 2006-08 Greenshift Ethanol Conf Attendee, Alparetta, GA - About 28 years old
Public History of the Keisler Family
The lovely Mrs. Rachael Kreisler
Rachael is a 1994 Graduate of Lakeside, a private Prep school in Seattle, WA. Rachael is a graduate of The University of the South, with a cum laude bachelor's degree in biological psychology and minors in fine arts and philosophy. One time IBM site designer, worked on Macy's e-commerce site and the redesign of the NYSE site. Founder of Kissykat and Candent Corp. As of March 31, 2008, the Company (GERS) owed Candent Corporation $757,853 (the "Candent Note"). The former president of Candent is the wife of the Company's chairman. All of the issued and outstanding capital stock held by Candent is in trust for the benefit of its former president. The note payable to Candent shall bear interest at a rate of 10% per year and matures November 8, 2010. (P. 21 1st Quarter)
Kreisler Family Involved in GERS
Lawrence M. Kreisler - Lawrence is the sole owner of Serenity Capital, LLC. Built Kreisler Bags, then Kreisler Bags and Filters, then KBF Pollution Control Inc., then KBF Pollution Management Inc. After 1-20 R/S Sept2003 company was taken over by Veridium Corp in Oct2003, controlled by son Kevin. Resigned, effective December 31, 2003, as an officer and director of Veridium Corporation. Continued to work at Veridium's Paterson, New Jersey based recycling facility, that was designed on recycling technologies he invented. His employment was terminated in July 2004 due to irreconcilable philosophical differences in how to best operate and grow that facility. Bronze Parachute included: 100 percent of his salary of $150,000 through December 31, 2004 and 50 percent of his salary through December 31, 2006. Medical benefits until the age of 65. Lawrence is about 61 years old.
Scott Kreisler - Scott is the sole owner of Cyrus Capital, LLC. Brother of Kevin Kreisler, listed as a Beneficial Owner of Veridium Corporation on 4/2/2002 SEC filings. The 2005 annual report also says: "During 2005, Scott Kreisler, brother of Kevin Kreisler, received salaries of $72,700. Scott Kreisler no longer works for the Company." In February 2006, Cyrus Capital, LLC, purchased from GCS Investments $500,000 in convertible debt issuedby GS Clean Tech. During the period ended March 31, 2006, Cyrus effected conversions totaling $280,000, corresponding to 14,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock. During the second quarter 2006 Cyrus effected additional conversions totaling $120,000 into a total of 6,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock.
Kathi A. Kreisler From a 3/30/2001 filing: Kathi Kreisler is a Co-founder of VERIDIUM CORPORATION and served as its President from 1984 through December 1994. She has been a director since March 1984. In January 1995, Ms. Kreisler became vice president, secretary and treasurer of Veridium Corporation. From 1979 to 1984, Ms. Kreisler was a principal in Kreisler Bags and Filtration, Inc., which name was subsequently changed to KBF Pollution Management, Inc. Ms. Kreisler is the wife of Lawrence Kreisler and is the mother of Kevin and Scott Kreisler. During 2005, Kathi Kreisler received salaries of $33,750. During December of 2005, Kathi Kreisler received 3,806,811 shares of the Company's common stock as a settlement of all severance liabilities.
MIF During the first quarter 2008, Minority Interest Fund (II), LLC ("MIF") acquired the Kerns $1,000,000 Debenture. In February 2008, MIF subsequently fully converted this debenture at the rate of $0.16 per share into 6,875,000 shares of Company common stock. The managing member of MIF is a relative of Kevin Kreisler. (p. 23 1st Qtr Rpt)
Scott Kreisler - Scott is the sole owner of Cyrus Capital, LLC. Brother of Kevin Kreisler, listed as a Beneficial Owner of Veridium Corporation on 4/2/2002 SEC filings. The 2005 annual report also says: "During 2005, Scott Kreisler, brother of Kevin Kreisler, received salaries of $72,700. Scott Kreisler no longer works for the Company." In February 2006, Cyrus Capital, LLC, purchased from GCS Investments $500,000 in convertible debt issuedby GS Clean Tech. During the period ended March 31, 2006, Cyrus effected conversions totaling $280,000, corresponding to 14,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock. During the second quarter 2006 Cyrus effected additional conversions totaling $120,000 into a total of 6,000,000 shares of the Company's common stock.
Kathi A. Kreisler From a 3/30/2001 filing: Kathi Kreisler is a Co-founder of VERIDIUM CORPORATION and served as its President from 1984 through December 1994. She has been a director since March 1984. In January 1995, Ms. Kreisler became vice president, secretary and treasurer of Veridium Corporation. From 1979 to 1984, Ms. Kreisler was a principal in Kreisler Bags and Filtration, Inc., which name was subsequently changed to KBF Pollution Management, Inc. Ms. Kreisler is the wife of Lawrence Kreisler and is the mother of Kevin and Scott Kreisler. During 2005, Kathi Kreisler received salaries of $33,750. During December of 2005, Kathi Kreisler received 3,806,811 shares of the Company's common stock as a settlement of all severance liabilities.
MIF During the first quarter 2008, Minority Interest Fund (II), LLC ("MIF") acquired the Kerns $1,000,000 Debenture. In February 2008, MIF subsequently fully converted this debenture at the rate of $0.16 per share into 6,875,000 shares of Company common stock. The managing member of MIF is a relative of Kevin Kreisler. (p. 23 1st Qtr Rpt)
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"This system is not bad, it is just how things have worked in every functional society since time began. Someone provides a good or service in exchange for receiving a good or service. Money just facilitates making change and keeping score."
Socialism
"A system where more goods and services are provided to those who provide less goods and services." Leads to less goods and services.
Communism
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Still do not understand? This is for the Lawyers (lol)
DISCLAIMER: The author is not a registered stockbroker nor a registered advisor and does not give investment advice. His comments are an expression of opinion only and should not be construed in any manner whatsoever as recommendations to buy or sell a stock, option, future, bond, commodity, index or any other financial instrument at any time. While he believes his statements to be true, they always depend on the reliability of his sources. The author recommends that you consult with a qualified investment advisor, one licensed by appropriate regulatory agencies in your legal jurisdiction, before making any investment decisions, and that you confirm the facts on your own before making important investment commitments.
Note: I am a shareholder - I do not work for, nor do I receive any direct or indirect payment from GERS or anyone associated with them. (But it would be Kapitalist Kool if I did) I will not intentionally mislead - but I can be wrong (ask Mrs. SkunK for specific frequencies) - so do your own due diligence - and take responsibility for your own financial decisions – (and your own life in general) good or bad. I do not give financial advice - I let you look at my dd as I try to make sense of it all and make MY decisions. Make your own! I have been rightfully accused of being a rather cheery, positive individual who laughs at every opportunity. These tendencies may cause me to overlook deficiencies in this stock that are painfully obvious to others. Celebrate today - and some good garage logic luck to ya.
SkunK
(Blogger formerly know as Skunk)
Disclaimer for those who need additional clarification. . .
My beliefs and the financial strategies discussed on this site are not to be used without proper financial analysis of your personal situation. Better yet, you do not have my permission to use them at all. I strongly suggest you seek help of a financial advisor or, even better, a Certified Financial Planner in order to assist you in any financial planning. I am not selling or advising you to buy any financial products. I am not selling or advising you to buy this stock or any other stock! I am just blogging about one of my favourite subjects! This is a hobby for me and should only be entertainment for you. You may analyse my opinions and determine if they suit you or not. I hope that your personal finance path to your goals will be covered with success and profit. Enjoy your reading.
Additional Disclaimer for the real knukleheads . . . .
Look, if your still reading this disclaimer and haven't figured out my name is SkunK and I don't know nothin' then you really need help. If you still want to blindly go out and do whatever some dude on the internet does then I can't help you. If you are not emotionally secure enough to suffer another's opinion - then turn the dang channel. Quickly seek a mental health professional! I am not one of them either!
Still do not understand? This is for the Lawyers (lol)
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SkunK's Public Library; Magazine Section
- June 2008 Bio-Diesel Mag - New Bio-Diesel method that can use corn oil
- Marion (3rd COE) site and COE/Biodiesel
- Dr. Bayless explains Algae process he sold to Greenshift
- Our Algae slime is 94% starch and 6% oil
- and the super "algae" comes from Yellowstone
- Biodiesel Nov 2006 - The Matchmaker
- Forbes Dan Fisher Article
- Distillers Grain Quarterly - 2007 1st Quarter - "COE Opens New Markets"
38 comments:
Is the stock being diluted again with large volume trades and no upward movement of pps?
bid increasing stock up 10 percent
Who's chasing the ask? some big money thrown around today.
GreenShift (KK) or (EC) please provide a stockholder news letter and state the ongoing operations and future path. As share holders, we own a portion of the company and have a right to know.
There are too many hypothesis and bad information being spread around. Although the common stockholders only own 20% of the company and the other 80% is owned by KK and EC, we the common stockholders need the truth.
shove it nobody get back to yohoo
The court already denied ICM motion.
when did this happen?
Remember, nobody cannot spell but I can.
I have said numerous times that I only post under my moniker, never on Yahoo, and I do not hide as most do here. Do you have any substantive thoughts to add to our discussions?
nobody why do you say 'never on yahoo'? I read many posts from you there?
nobody why do post anony and under nobody? why not stick with one?
nobody why do you say 'never on yahoo'? I read many posts from you there?
nobody why do you say 'never on yahoo'? I read many posts from you there?
As I said, I am not nobody. I am a long term invester looking for the truth and facts. Does it matter if I choose a monniker or two or three or just post as anonymous? My Questions to GERS are reasonable. At least they may say "due to advice of legal council no statements will be made until a later date".
Best to all.
NEVER on Yahoo! They can steal a moniker and may have. You are sounding like Slash now who is convinced that I am some one else who posts there.
who stole whos? yours created after this onehttp://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Business_%26_Finance/Investments/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_G/threadview?bn=77822&tid=30713&mid=30717
Nobody, do not get m mixed up with all the nobody bashers or GERS lovers. I am just asking GERS for real information. I have never bashed you, slash or anyone. I beleive Skunk's site provides a purpose and I do not like the hacking back and forth. It only wastes my time. I enjoy opposite views and measure them accordingly to my own suppositions. We need real information. I know for a fact there have been theories posted in the past that are completely wrong.
Now let us all look at due diligence research and not suppositions. Theories are fine to speculate on as well. But let us all not gamble. We may as well go to Las Vegas and put it all on black or red.
Please comment nobody and slash as well as others.
I have been Nobody for six years and the Yahooer took that moniker from the Raging Bull site. End of story, and I agree that we should stop messing in the Skunk's Blog, I have said that for years.
who knows what to believe I see nobody12378 on yahoo end of story
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Why not stop the bs and get back to facts. Skunk, it appears your site has been taken over by school children. I suggest you cancel all comments for an indeterminant amount of time to get rid of the children with there I-phones.
nobody and todu together on raging bull? is tadaa really todu?
It's just Nobody arguing with himself to try an cause a stir. He wants Skunk to shut down the comment box. He's doing it on purpose.
Sorry but does anyone know when the court denied ICM motion? Did this just happen?
I see Nobody, Jim, and Todu were slapping each others butts on RB. I see the three stooges on yahoo. I see Nobody, Jim, and "Tadaa" on Ihub. When Tadaa first posted on Ihub he had a cowboy hat and laso picture, which was the same picture Todu had on Yahoo. He changed to a military skydive picture which is comical, Todu claims he was in the military. Maybe he's telling the truth and someone stole his ID, but there is no doubt the three stooges have a history of working together for years on all the sites. According to Slash's post, they go off the same script. http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_G/threadview?m=tm&bn=77822&tid=38125&mid=38125&tof=-1&rt=2&frt=2&off=1
Steve,
It was a few weeks ago. Alcorn tried again and GERS is like ICM already tried this you guys are wasting time.
LMAO nice post Cowpie, good to hear from you.
Thanks. It looks pretty clear then how judge will rule.
I remeber that avatar! I always wondered why todu5613 didn't post on IHUB? Guess he has he only changed one letter. DOPE!
This is much better dialect than bashing posters.
Thanks to all!!!!!!!
Awww that's cute. The 3 stooges are back together again worken the boards! They stole my name over their too.
Brenda
If I'm reading this correctly alcorn is about to settle? It says motion to dismiss counter claims. That means they want to withdraw their countersuit against greenshift. Wich means they may be getting ready to settle or they are realizing they can't win and are trying to find a little bit of mercy. It also says that the court finds in favor off the motion to dismiss the counter claim. Which means that gers no longer is being counter sued by alcorn. This is great news thanks skunk keep up the great work!
REX, GPRE, and Advanced BioEnergy are all using the same wording. "immediately prior to production of distillers grains"
This is important because ICM claims the AOS doesn't extract from the same stream.
Quote from REX's 10K...
"At certain of our plants, we extract and sell non-edible corn oil immediately prior to the production of distillers grains."
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/744187/000093041312002109/c69053_10k.htm
This is the exact same wording GPRE used to describe COES.
"The corn oil systems are designed to extract non-edible corn oil...immediately prior to production of distillers grains."
GPRE 10K
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1309402/000119312512067531/d301790d10k.htm
Advanced BioEnergy used the exact same wording to describe COES.
"The corn oil systems are designed to extract non-edible corn oil...immediately prior to production of distillers grains.
Advanced BioEnergy 10K
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1325740/000119312511353925/d242099d10k.htm
I don't put a lot of faith in plant managers. They're a lot like a manager at Mcdonalds. The don't know exactly what's going on at corporate headquarters.
I called a plant manager last summer after I saw a construction company say they finished building a COES for that particular producer. This producer even said months before, they got money to install COES. When I spoke with the plant manager, he was clueless. He claimed he had no idea about corn oil extraction at the plant. He said he wouldn't even know where in the plant it would be installed. He could have just been playing dumb, or just wanted me to go away. My point is, plant managers are not always in "the know". It could be much like GPRE where ICM installed the systems and that may be what the manager saw. Or he was confused and thought the question was in regard to the ethanol production technology. One word answers are not informed offical statements from the company. When I found the REX news, my delay to posting it was due to the fact that I called and E-mailed the company many times, with no response. REX has not released if they are a licensee or not. The fact of the matter is, ICM's systems use a "CHEMICAL ADDITIVE". The AOS requires it. The Tricanter can't get resonable yields without it. It doesn't make any sense that REX would say they're not using chemicals with a system that requires them. Then we have all the exact wording in their reports as our other customers. I tried contacting the source of the anonymous E-mail and nothing, no response. I think the response the anonymous poster got was a fluke.
I could be wrong, and that's fine. But I will never shy away from my digging. I think REX should not be considered infringing until there's an official statement from one company or the other.
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totaltruth, I think you misunderstood. Greenshift is moving to dismiss Alcorn's counterclaims against Greenshift. This is an offensive move - not a sign of settlement.
Sorry it was greenshifts motion to dismiss and the court hasn't awarded it yet.
Ya I already corrected myself with a reply to myself. Its difficult to read google docs on my phone as it keeps jumping all over the place I guess I need to upgrade again. This is a 2.2 droid. And google keeps updating everthing so quickly my phone is only 1yr old and obsolete already
Okay, Since I just made up time on my consulting engineering job, I will provide some background for all GERS profiteers to consume.
GERS facilities vary and each ethanol plant is different from the other due to uopstream processes. Two identical ICM facilities perform differently for COES in terms of yield and ease of separating corn oil. ICM, Delta V and Lurgi designed facilities also perform differently with respect to COES due to upstream processing techniques.
Some Corn Ethanol Facilities are limited to the amount of corn oil they may extract due to guaranteed percentage of fat (corn oil) in the DDGS. Therefore, some (even ICM facilities) do not use chemical polymer emulsion breaking additives because either they do not want to take out too much corn oil, or the upstream processes allow them to not be economical adding the additive. There are some GERS facilities that do use additives to increase corn oil yield economically, but there are many that do.
Without going into too much detail, ICM's AOS system uses ethanol as an emulsion breaker and then recovers the ethanol, corn oil and syrup. This is in contention for patent purposes. ICM also pushes over slurry at the primary Centrifuge prior to adding ethanol in order to increase the amount of available oil for second stage centrifugal extraction.
This is why the construction claims are so important in the litigation whereby process streams are technically identified.
ICM's systems are potentially more costly as an initial capital investment, but not nearly so when compared to paying a royalty to GERS over a 25 year period. This is why this litigation is so important to GERS. It is necessary to stop the work-arounds and GERS is doing a good job with extended patent applications to further protect their inellectual rights.
I am an investor in GERS. Best to all
We need more analysis like this one above ^. Thank you!
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